2019 CL/2020 CCL qualifiers [R]

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  1. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I want to check if the Eastern Conference has ever qualified three non-Canadian clubs. The Western Conference qualified Seattle, FC Dallas, and Colorado in 2018, with the Red Bulls representing the East.
     
  2. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The 2014-15 CCL had three Eastern Conference teams. Kansas City (won the 2013 MLS Cup as a Eastern team), NY Red Bulls, DC United. Portland got in from the West.

    The 2009-10 CCL had three Eastern Conference teams: Columbus, NY Red Bulls, DC United. Houston got in from the West.

    Other oddities:

    The 2013-14 CCL and the 2012-13 CCL had four teams that are all in the Western Conference now. Houston and KC were in the East and qualified along with San Jose and LA Galaxy in 13-14. The 12-13 tournament had Houston from the East along with LA Galaxy, Seattle, and RSL from the West.

    The 2011-12 CCL had 4 Western Conference teams straight-up. Colorado, LA Galaxy, Seattle, and Dallas. The MLS Cup playoffs had the crossover system so teams from the same conference could meet in the Cup.

    No current Eastern Conference team made the CCL for three straight tournaments back then.
     
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  3. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Red Bulls have never represented the East in MLS Cup, but they represented the West and lost to Columbus in 2008.
     
  4. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I'd say 09-10 still counts - even if they only got into the 08 Cup final through the Western bracket, they were still an Eastern Conference team - they qualified for the playoffs with an Eastern Conference schedule, etc.
     
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  5. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    #130 dinamo_zagreb, Aug 31, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2019
    Wikipedia says it is the USA1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_CONCACAF_Champions_League#Draw

    But irrelevant now, it would have been interesting if "best" US team was unseeded.

    Thanks for clarification.
     
  6. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    My mistake. I was looking at the 2019 seedings.

    USA1 was seeded 8th while USA2 was 10th in that tournament. USA1 and USA2 are tied at the moment for the 7th and 8th for next year's tournament. I don't know if PAN1 which was 9th last year or CRC1 which was 11th can still move up
     
  7. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Do we know whether they're judging the slots as SCL1, SCL2, etc. or as the individual country slots yet?
     
  8. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If we're lucky, Concacaf will get into the nitty-gritty when they announce the CCL draw date.

    ---

    I was so focused on LAFC's Supporters' Shield chase that I completely forgot to check the MLS Western Conference standings, but they already have 1 foot and 4 toes in the next Champions League.

    The only team that can catch them now is Minnesota United...with 6 straight wins + 5 LAFC defeats + making up a GD gap of +9 to +44 for the league leaders. So yeah, this is pretty much a fait accompli, but LAFC will officially be in as at least the "opposite conference regular season winner" if Minnesota fail to win at Houston on Wednesday.
     
  9. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    2020 CCL Qualifiers

    1. Cruz Azul [MEX3]
    2. Club América [MEX1]
    3. Club León [MEX4]
    4. Portmore United (JAM) [CFU1]
    5. Tigres UANL [MEX2]
    6. Atlanta United [USA1, USA2, USA3 or USA4]
    7. LAFC [USA1, USA2 or USA3]
     
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  10. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. maizenblue07

    maizenblue07 Member

    May 8, 2008
    We could have another qualifier on Wednesday from MLS depending on results.

    NYCFC will guarantee either winning the Eastern Conference or finishing second behind Atlanta and getting the hand-me-down spot via the Supporters Shield standings with the following results:
    • A NYCFC win and a Philadelphia tie or loss OR
    • A NYCFC tie and a Philadelphia loss
     
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  12. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States




    2020 CCL Qualifiers

    1. Cruz Azul [MEX3]
    2. Club América [MEX1]
    3. Club León [MEX4]
    4. Portmore United (JAM) [CFU1]
    5. Tigres UANL [MEX2]
    6. Atlanta United [USA1, USA2, USA3 or USA4]
    7. LAFC [USA1, USA2 or USA3]
    8. L'Impact de Montréal [CAN1]
     
  13. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    2020 CCL Qualifiers

    1. Cruz Azul [MEX3]
    2. Club América [MEX1]
    3. Club León [MEX4]
    4. Portmore United (JAM) [CFU1]
    5. Tigres UANL [MEX2]
    6. Atlanta United [USA1, USA3 or USA4]
    7. LAFC [USA1 or USA2]
    8. L'Impact de Montréal [CAN1]
     
  14. maizenblue07

    maizenblue07 Member

    May 8, 2008
    Philadelphia beat San Jose 2-1, so despite an NYCFC win, the race for the Eastern Conference champion spot is still on. They are still 6 points apart with 2 matches remaining. Both teams play Sunday, and NYCFC will qualify with either of the following results:
    • An NYCFC win or tie OR
    • A Philadelphia tie or loss
     
  15. maizenblue07

    maizenblue07 Member

    May 8, 2008
    And from the final qualifying track, the Concacaf League, we are very close to having some guaranteed qualifiers as soon as tonight (Wikipedia says that Motagua has already qualified, but that is not the case).

    Motagua
    Motagua of Honduras won the opening leg of their quarterfinal on the road against Waterhouse 2-0, so they already have one foot into the semis and a guaranteed Champions League spot. Even if Motagua lose the tie, they already have 7 points in the qualification standings for the two best quarterfinal losers.

    The Alianza-San Carlos loser cannot get to 7 points and with the following result tonight the Comunicaciones-Olimpia loser would not be able to either:
    • Comunicaciones-Olimpia tie
     
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  16. maizenblue07

    maizenblue07 Member

    May 8, 2008
    This assumes that they aren’t giving 3 points for a shootout win, as that would be rewarding teams that do worse but then win in penalties. Then again this is concacaf.
     
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  17. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Fwiw, the sports newspaper Diez in Honduras is also stating that Motagua are already qualified...still no clarification from Concacaf yet.

    2020 CCL Qualifiers

    1. Cruz Azul [MEX3]
    2. Club América [MEX1]
    3. Club León [MEX4]
    4. Portmore United (JAM) [CFU1]
    5. Tigres UANL [MEX2]
    6. Atlanta United [USA1, USA3 or USA4]
    7. LAFC [USA1 or USA2]
    8. L'Impact de Montréal [CAN1]
    9. New York City FC [USA1, USA2 or USA3]
     
  18. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Pretty sure they have. I just did a quick glance, so my math could be off. Only one team can pass them from San Carlos - Alianza, and only one can from Saprissa - Independiente, so they're at least ahead of two, which is enough to progress. I didn't bother looking any further, but if someone can craft the scenario where both teams from one of those ties can pass Motagua, please feel free to correct me.
     
  19. maizenblue07

    maizenblue07 Member

    May 8, 2008
    I think the following scenario would see Motagua fail to qualify:
    • Motagua loses tie to Waterhouse, and so must finish in top 2 quarterfinal losers. Let's say they lose 0-3. Motagua would then be on 7 points with GD of 0
    • Comunicaciones beats Olimpia 2-0, then loses the tie on penalties. Comunicaciones would be the quarterfinal loser on 7 points with GD of +1, ahead of Motagua
    • Independiente beats Saprissa 4-3, losing the tie on away goals. Independiente would be the quartefinal loser on 7 points with GD of +1
    In this scenario, albeit far fetched, Motagua would be in 3rd place among the quarterfinal losers and not advance to the Champions League
     
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  20. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That's what I overlooked. I was looking at top 6 overall and neglected the whole, you know, advancing thing. Thanks.
     
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  21. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of the 24 MLS clubs:

    4 are qualified including Montreal
    12 are alive for the MLS Cup spot who haven't qualified yet
    6 are American and cannot make the playoffs
    2 are Canadian and cannot qualify through MLS (Toronto is going to the playoffs and Vancouver is not)

    If Philadelphia wins hosting NYCFC, they clinch the hand-me-down spot if it happens. If Philadelphia draws and Seattle and Minnesota won, all three would have the same record, but that's impossible because the latter two are playing each other in Seattle. If Philadelphia draws and Minnesota wins, they will have the same record. Minnesota's goal differential of +10 is 1 better than Philadelphia so if Minnesota wins and Philadelphia draws, Minnesota will have the better goal differential. Seattle's goal differential is +2, so they would need to win by 7 or 8 depending on goals scored if Philadelphia draws. Realistically, Seattle needs a win and a Philadelphia loss. All MLS clubs not already qualified other than those three can only qualify by winning MLS Cup. All MLS club end on Sunday at 4:00 P.M. USA Eastern.
     
  22. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When D.C. earned the right to host the second leg in the MLS playoffs but the Red Bulls got to host the second leg because of an approaching storm, D.C. fans complained. If NYCFC reaches the Semifinals, which has hosting determined by the previous two rounds, they could have to play CCL games elsewhere or switch what leg they host due to the Yankees. Concacaf hasn't announced the dates, but if 2020 has about the same dates as 2019 then the Semifinals will be the first round during MLB season. I want an MLB club to win the CCL, but I'd root for a Liga MX club over NYCFC.
     
  23. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I dunno, it really sounds like you want the team in a baseball stadium to win! ;):p
     
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  24. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most likely, if they've earned the 2nd leg at home, they'll just switch venues. Like they're envisioning for the upcoming MLS playoffs:

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    Well, being allowed to take the field with bats in hand would make away games easier :D But they're also a guaranteed sending off, so you'd have to pick and choose when to strike :ROFLMAO:
     
  25. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    STOP THE PRESSES!

    ...ok, maybe it's not that dramatic :D But the commentators for tonight's 2nd leg of CAI/Saprissa just confirmed that Comunicaciones, Waterhouse and San Carlos are all sitting on 4 points. So now we know how that fragment from the regulations is being interpreted within Concacaf...
     

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