2019 Asian Cup

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Dec 6, 2018.

  1. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Disciplinary points played a role in determining the team that advanced to the Round of 16. Vietnam and Lebanon are tied on points, goal difference, and goal scored, so Vietnam, which received two yellow cards fewer, advanced as the 4th best third-placed team, while Lebanon was eliminated.

    Kyrgyzstan and Oman also had to be separated on disciplinary points as 2nd best and 3rd best third-placed teams. They both advanced, but the one yellow card difference between them was decisive in determining the team that they will face in the next round.
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lebanon scored a goal at 90 + 8' to make it a 4-1 game today and then picked up a yellow card at 90 + 9'. Luckily, as you state, they missed out by two yellow cards and not one, because if that had been the decisive issue ...
     
  3. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Have there been instances where teams are tied on points, goal difference, goals scored, and disciplinary points?
     
  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Hard to tell in real time how intentional this was though.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From the broadcast booth, sure.

    Field level, I’m not giving him a pass. I could understand looking away early and maybe missing this completely. Seeing the challenge, late as it was, and only going yellow? Classic Irmatov.
     
  7. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Pencil him in for a World Cup knockout match in 2022 Qatar!
     
  8. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t know what’s more head-scratching-that Irmatov didn’t go red here or the decision to assign Mr. Man Manager to a game between two nations that would rather kill each other than look at each other.

    This would be a game that Cakir would have trouble keeping a lid on. Irmatov’s “style” wouldn’t have a chance.
     
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  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Round of 16 appointments
    Iran : Oman - RAMOS (MEX)
    Thailand : China PR - MOHAMMED (UAE)
    Jordan : Vietnam - FAGHANI (IRN)
    UAE : Kyrgyzstan - FU (CHN)
    Australia : Uzbekistan - AL JASSIM (QAT)
    Japan : Saudi Arabia - IRMATOV (UZB)
    Korea Republic : Bahrain - TBA
    Qatar : Iraq - TBA

    AFC gives Ramos a knockout match, which I imagine could have been pre-arranged. Irmatov gets the biggest match because he's Irmatov.

    VAR pairings are going to be interesting here. Rumor has it Valeri and Makkelie are at the tournament as VAR consultants or instructors; am very curious to see what the assignments look like and what the roles will be.
     
  10. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Guess that means the powers that be weren't too troubled by the caution?
     
  11. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    Or the phantom penalty ... for that matter
     
  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or the passback that Irmatov called as an AAR, which while somewhat justifiable, reeked of a three-time WC referee big-timing his less experienced whistle.

    But to the point, two things. One is politics and reputation. Irmatov and Faghani and Ramos (particularly if it was agreed to ahead of time) were always going to get knockout matches.

    More importantly in this case, the senior referees who have some experience with VAR are going to be prioritized in the knockout stages now. I think Mohammed is the only assigned referee so far without decent VAR experience and--on top of the possibility of me being wrong--he's from the host country.
     
  13. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Is VAR going to be used from round of 16 matches or quarterfinals?
     
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  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Money isn't an issue in the UAE. This is all about personnel.
     
  17. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Fair enough. I was trying to come up with a plausible rationale as I agree it is more than a bit odd.
     
  18. SkiRacer

    SkiRacer Member

    Everton
    United States
    Oct 19, 2018
    Yeah, it wasn't clear a penalty was awarded. Ramos makes no signal after looking right at it. Did call come from the AAR. Should have been a card for simulation.
     
  19. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    The last two Finals went to Irmatov and Faghani. Who will get it this time?
     
  20. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Remaining R16 matches:

    Korea Republic : Bahrain - SATO (JPN)
    Qatar : Iraq - TAQI (SGP)
     
  21. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Irmatov in action now. Excited for a smooth, controversy-free match. ;)
     
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  22. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Over/under on the number of “smiling, palms down” motions to man-manage is set at 3.5, and I’m taking the over.
     
  23. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Irmatov's match apparently went off without a hitch. So expect to see him again.

    Quarterfinals
    Vietnam : Japan - MOHAMMED (UAE)
    China PR : Iran - AL-JASSIM (QAT)

    Beath is VAR on the Vietnam match with Valeri as AVAR.

    Irmatov is VAR on the China PR: match with Makkelie as AVAR.

    No AARs, so that answers that question.

    This whole thing is even more farcical now. AFC isn't even pretending its top referees can implement VAR without European help. Since that's true, call me crazy but maybe they should have brought VAR in at a lower level first.
     
  24. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Hi guys,

    Any background on AL-JASSIM (QAT) ?
     
  25. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Both matches have another AVAR, Taqi for the Vietnam match and Al-Marri for the China match.
     
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