PBP: 2019 ACC regular season discussion

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by Crazyhorse, Sep 17, 2020.

  1. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    Unless you are athletic enough to physically disrupt V Tech, its will be hard. These games are a big step up from the talent Pitt has faced to date. Do you think any of the Pitt outfield players would start for Uva
     
  2. Mojo45

    Mojo45 Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Aug 17, 2019
    Definitely not to answer your question. I still think the game between Pitt and Tech is a toss up this year. Whoever wants it most will take home the prize.
     
  3. Wildcatter

    Wildcatter Member

    Sep 9, 2018
    I agree. I don't think any of the pitt players would start for UVA. There are probably several ACC schools that don't have players who would start at UVA.

    I think UVA dominated the game but at the end of the day UVA has to be better at finishing. They created chances but it still took them OT to beat Pitt. You can say the PK was a soft call but Pitt did bury their pk. Cant say the same about UVA. They were awarded a pk for a handball in the box (and deservedly so) and UVA shanked the pk.
     
  4. sweepsit

    sweepsit Member

    Oct 25, 2016
    SF, California
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The rankings are inflated for everyone (except maybe UNC). They aren’t ranking teams from leagues not playing. By quick glance I’m counting only 11 of the final top 25 last year who are eligible for votes. So getting a lot of SEC, Big 12, and ACC teams with some surprisingly high rankings, not reflective of their overall quality.
     
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  5. Mojo45

    Mojo45 Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Aug 17, 2019
    Well Pitt was just what the doctor ordered today for Virginia Tech's scoring slump falling 2-0 in Blacksburg. Pitt lost to an 0-5 Virginia Tech team that had managed only 1 goal in 5 games. Now we know the soft non-conference schedule offered Pitt little help except for bestowing a fleeting 15 minutes of fame for their undefeated run and an undeserved ranking. Looks like we are going to be left scrapping it out again with BC and Miami this year unless there is an October surprise against Florida St, Clemson or Wake Forest. A very disappointing loss for Pitt today in my opinion.
     
  6. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    Competitive first half. Once again, you can play well and be on the wrong end of the score. As solid as the GK looked at UVA is as frail as she looks today. These players are not robots. A game like today tells me how far Pitt have come relative to a BC. They are on the right track, just not sure how far they can actually go in the ACC.
     
  7. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    Talking to myself, but watching these ACC games this year, WoSo really is a different game. Its hugely influenced by the sub rules AND the way the referee's call games.
     
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  8. Val1

    Val1 Member+

    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
    MD's Eastern Shore
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That shouldn't be surprising. College football is different than professional football and collegiate hoops are different than the pro version. And in the world of basketball, the Europeans play a different game than do the Americans.

    Subbing is huge. Dorrance can swap entire lines, a la hockey, and Swanson certainly utilizes very deep squads. They are playing to the extent of the rules, like all coaches anywhere.

    Give me an example of what you mean about refs calling games differently.
     
  9. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    The balance of the game changes. The sub rules make the game worse. It is already easier to destroy than create. There is limited reward for possession play that tires out an opponent. It makes pressing far too easy.

    There should be way more fouls AND yellow cards early in games. This would also make sub rules more important and reward a skill gap far more than it does now.
     
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  10. Tom81

    Tom81 Member+

    Jan 25, 2008
    I personally like the substitution rules for college. It is a different game than professional soccer. Allows for more players to play which means more young women getting a subsidized education and experiences that will last a lifetime.
    It is less wear and tear on their bodies and may prolong the career of some women who will make it a career. College soccer is not meant to be the minor-league pipeline for the pros.
    I agree with your point about the officiating. I don’t think they should let brute force negate individual skill and creativity. That said, at the end of the day I just want the officials to be consistent in their calls. I would like officiating that does not favor either style but somehow splits the difference. I Imagine that is a pretty fine line to walk.
    The US women’s national team tends to use a lot of that brute force more than a lot of the countries they face. In my opinion they tend to play like North Carolina of 20 years ago. By that, I mean they know they have the talent and the depth advantage so they play hard, physical, fast and fairly direct.
    College soccer is as different from professional soccer in a similar way as college basketball is different from professional basketball. I’m OK with that!
     
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  11. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    In the womens game, what is the pipeline to the pros ?
     
  12. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    Allows more players to play - but thats not really how it is used. Should we be applauding coaches for how many kids play?

    It is less wear and tear on their bodies - is it? I think knowing you can get a break and return can create much more wear and tear. The coaches who use the rule as a weapon are asking some players to play at max intensity, knowing they can put them back in. More minutes at max, is just concentrating your load. Its not necessarily protecting you.
     
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  13. Tom81

    Tom81 Member+

    Jan 25, 2008
    #63 Tom81, Oct 9, 2020
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    College baseball for instants, a significant percentage of players go on to some level of pro baseball. Basketball is similar although I think slightly less percentages. I could be wrong, but I think a greater number of women see soccer ending at college and I understand it that way. They are literally there for the education and soccer is a means to an end.
    Now I think programs like North Carolina Stanford UCLA FSU and Virginia would have a higher percentage of those young women with pro aspirations, but as a general rule I don’t see college soccer as a pipeline to the pros.
    In the sense that most US pro teams are players who come from the college game, you could call the college game a pipeline.
     
  14. Val1

    Val1 Member+

    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
    MD's Eastern Shore
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I see deep teams as a virtue, I guess, and by extension, I rate the coaches who build them. Injuries happen, so the teams that are best able to adjust will be more successful. And that means more playing time for the second string.

    This is a very good point. I hadn't thought about this.
     
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  15. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    Yes, depth is good, not disputing that in anyway. I think a roster should be as big as a staffs ability to improve the majority of players that want it and put a competitive product on the field game in game out. I believe that if your second and third unit are as effective as your first it could be for a variety of reasons.
     
  16. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    Duke VT ...my goodness the referees are awful
     
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  17. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    If you look beyond the scores, Duke are a missed PK (Wake), a dubious no goal call (UVA) and dubious PK ( VT) away from going 0-2-1 in those 3 games. Given that some folks think Jones is a top 10 player in the country and I keep hearing that Duke has had a top 10 class 9 years in a row, why are they (my opinion) not playing better soccer?
     
  18. Tom81

    Tom81 Member+

    Jan 25, 2008
    I can only conclude that either the rankings of their recruits are terribly inaccurate, or that their coaching is doing an inadequate job!
     
  19. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    #69 Number007, Oct 10, 2020
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2020
    Ding ding!!! Teams are all about marrying the right skills. Too much of WoSo is spent debating who is the best player. In College, the most consistent TEAMS will place themselves in the mix for titles. Sometimes. a team is more consistent when the balance between flair and pragmatism is right. The only teams i have seen that won games consistently playing amazing soccer were prime Barcelona and prime Arsenal. Great players sacrificed or the team.

    College WoSo so narrative driven. I like Jones a lot, but the entire game the commentary praised her for what she intended to do even though at times her execution was poor. Other players executed and were not mentioned. The narrative is set that she is great so her mistakes are overlooked. Other players who are not part of the story are overlooked, even if they play well. Graham for Duke is another example. Her execution was overlooked because she is a good singer. I heard about a pilot's license as well. it all super impressive and interesting, but has nothing to do with who is playing well on the day.

    Objectively, Dukes classes may be highly rated, but have not panned out ON the field recently.

    https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/clu...2015-girls-recruiting-class-rankings_aid36958

    It interesting to look back at some of these to see how far off they really were.

    My point is these experts that people quote have a really LOW success rate in predicting how these things turn out. Nothing against the players. So when i read basis class XYZ, this school is going to do great I am scratching my head.
     
  20. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am not sure Duke is as described from a ranking perspective. In recent years, they have been right around a top 10 team. Maybe their recruiting classes indicate they should be better than just top 10, but that is another matter.
     
  21. Crazyhorse

    Crazyhorse Member

    Dec 29, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Florida for years carried almost 40 players and I think it was detrimental.
     
  22. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    Detrimental to what, the players? results?
     
  23. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    I agree. Finishing has been poor all year. UVA have the worst record they could possibly have, where almost every marginal thing that could go wrong, has. The desire to judge teams game by game is too much to ignore, but from 10,000 ft the pollsters that have UVA at #10 are asleep OR just have much higher expectations of UVA than are reasonable. Soccer does not lend itself to judging the margin between teams by score alone, let alone margin of victory. UVA have dominated every team they have played bar Clemson and even that game was a lot closer that 0-3 implies.

    On Pitt, are you fans happy with the schedule RW is playing? I understand we are in strange times, but how much do you learn playing teams you are clearly superior to 2x. Surely once was enough?
     
  24. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True, but given only 4 conferences plus a few stray teams from other conferences were playing, the SEC and Big 12 were playing conference only, the 4th conference was the Sun Belt, and likely travel restrictions, who else would you have had them play if they wanted to play some non-conference games?

    The answer is maybe they should have scheduled fewer non-conference games. This especially is true given that they will have used up 15 of their allowed games in the Fall, which means a reduced Spring schedule compared to most other teams. On the other hand, if you are trying long term to build a team culture of expecting to win significant numbers of games, maybe this is part of the way to do it given it is the 2020 Covid season.
     
  25. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    I thought the answer was implied in the question. Why play those teams 2x? Im not suggesting they had to replace the second game.

    On the culture, who knows. I guess its a way.
     
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