2019-2020 UEFA Referee Discussion [Rs]

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  1. feyenoordsoccerfan

    feyenoordsoccerfan Member+

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    #376 feyenoordsoccerfan, Oct 3, 2019
    Who's on the Rosenborg-PSV match?
     
  2. balu

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    Oct 18, 2013
    #377 balu, Oct 3, 2019
    UMUT MELER (TUR)
     
  3. MassachusettsRef

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    #378 MassachusettsRef, Oct 3, 2019
    We're litigating coach-referee interactions in the media now from a one-sided perspective after the advent of yellow cards?! No way!!!

    The substitution at the nearest point was definitely the stupidest law change this year for the game as a whole. But cards for non-players/substitutes, at the professional level, is either a tie or a close second. More attention on referees. More hostility toward referees. An elevation of coaches and their already large egos. And less attention on, you know, the actual playing of the sport.
     
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  4. MassachusettsRef

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    #379 MassachusettsRef, Oct 3, 2019
    My answer to both questions is a sheepish "I don't know."

    On the former, I presumed they'd be in the box scores on the UEFA websites, but maybe not? I think a physiotherapist was dismissed in one instance yesterday, so stuff like that could be hard to record correctly in real-time for someone not involved in the officiating team.

    As for the accumulation issue, I am sure that is documented. I just don't know where and don't have that readily available.
     
  5. balu

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    #380 balu, Oct 3, 2019
    I don't know. At least I couldn't find them.

    For accumulation, I guess we just have to wait until a coach gets suspended to find that out from the media. Or there is no accumulation rule for coaches yet, which would be somewhat strange.
     
  6. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #381 feyenoordsoccerfan, Oct 3, 2019

    I wonder if disciplinary sanctions of people are under the now very strict privacy laws in the EU. Is it still legal to publish those data by FA's/UEFA?
     
  7. balu

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    #382 balu, Oct 3, 2019
    Would referees have to card players in private from now on then? :D
     
  8. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #383 feyenoordsoccerfan, Oct 3, 2019
    :ROFLMAO:
    Maybe a huge handkerchief to the rescue: Ref to player: look under my handkerchief to see what card I gave you. Then the player heads to the dressing room. Rara...what was the card shown:p
     
  9. socal lurker

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    #384 socal lurker, Oct 3, 2019
    Don't the Laws say somewhere that refs are obligated to explain their decisions to the satisfaction of the manager? :rolleyes:
     
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  10. Pierre Head

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    #385 Pierre Head, Oct 3, 2019
    Actually this is a key appointment. It is essentially a derby game between two teams on opposite sides of
    an international bridge that hate each other! Will need a tough official, Aytekin fits the bill.

    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...penhagen-collide-in-europe?CMP=share_btn_link

    PH
     
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  11. balu

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    #386 balu, Oct 3, 2019
    Interesting, wasn't aware of this rivalry. Still, Aytekin was doing CL matches a few years ago (most memorably the Barcelona - PSG match), so for him to be doing more EL matches these days is a step down.
     
  12. MassachusettsRef

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    #387 MassachusettsRef, Oct 3, 2019
    Finally saw the clip of the Rocchi yellow card to a player for not leaving at the nearest boundary.

    https://streamable.com/ahuzy

    So the player is instructed where to leave. He doesn’t. He gets a yellow card. Then he STILL leaves where he wants.

    This makes a referee look impotent. And I bet it saved no time.
     
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  13. balu

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    #388 balu, Oct 3, 2019
    You mean Orsato?
     
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  14. MassachusettsRef

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    #389 MassachusettsRef, Oct 3, 2019
    Indeed!
     
  15. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #390 feyenoordsoccerfan, Oct 3, 2019
    Wow, in the Alkmaar - Man United: MAZEIKA (LTU) match, the ref really hated to put the ball on the dot of doom. At least 2 clear penalties not given.
     
  16. SccrDon

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    #391 SccrDon, Oct 4, 2019
    "Dot of doom" ;)
     
  17. Thezzaruz

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    #392 Thezzaruz, Oct 5, 2019
    Yea but while a second caution might be deserved it would likely be the end of the career for the referee that handed it out..
     
  18. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #393 feyenoordsoccerfan, Oct 5, 2019
    Do you really think that would be the case?
     
  19. MassachusettsRef

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    #394 MassachusettsRef, Oct 5, 2019
    Right. So what’s the point of the law? Quite literally all it did was make the referee look terrible.

    I guess you can argue it makes a player think twice about caution accumulation, but when you start looking for that bank shot you’re admitting it does nothing for the actual officiating and management of the match.
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

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    #395 MassachusettsRef, Oct 5, 2019
    Slight hyperbole. But I don’t think it would have been good. There’s a reason he let him keep going.
     
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  21. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #396 feyenoordsoccerfan, Oct 5, 2019
    The coach Ten Hag wasnot happy with the action of Promes. He called it foolish as it can be a disadvantage further up in the tournement as it all is very close (in the group) and everybody is needed because of that.
     
  22. MassachusettsRef

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    #397 MassachusettsRef, Oct 5, 2019
    Sure. The body language of his teammates showed they didn’t like the delay. But they still then helped shepherd him to the midfield point. If he had received a 2CT for what he did, the coach would be singing a different tune. As it stands, everyone is happy with the referee’s actions. But again, what did the new rule accomplish? We could always card delays on substitutions.
     
  23. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #398 feyenoordsoccerfan, Oct 5, 2019
    It could be improved by making the rule that in such cases not only the player subbed off, but also the captain gets a yellow card. Like in the wall breaking out too soon several times, the player on the outside position gets a card, regardless if he was the one to move to soon.
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

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    #399 MassachusettsRef, Oct 5, 2019
    Ha. No way. Then it would NEVER get called.
     
  25. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    Dragon's den, Rotterdam Netherlands
    #400 feyenoordsoccerfan, Oct 5, 2019
    Demmit. Thought to have the brilliant solution.
    However it can be put in the laws and executed a couple of times by specifically ordering the ref to do it in the briefings. Just to scare the hell out of coaches. They never know when it will strike again.
     
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