2018 HOT Seat

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by spykemanne, Mar 17, 2018.

  1. oneofnine

    oneofnine Member

    Nov 21, 2011
    How many D1 schools were there in 2004 as compared to 2018? Just curious. I'm guessing an increase of around 40-45 schools.
     
  2. SoIdontgetfined

    SoIdontgetfined New Member

    May 13, 2016
    I wonder if there is a way to find out that information with the available data given....

    Hint: Add the numbers together
     
  3. Kraude1316

    Kraude1316 New Member

    Southampton
    United States
    Dec 14, 2017
    Hmmm if your gonna be a smart ass then be right! Maybe you should subtract the two numbers.
     
  4. SoIdontgetfined

    SoIdontgetfined New Member

    May 13, 2016
    Great work! You are so good at sticking your foot in your mouth. You have to add the M/F numbers together from each year to know the total for 04 and 18.
     
  5. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    Okay, I don't mean to dwell on this and I wish this coach the best of luck. The couple kids I know at VMI are good players. Maybe he's a good coach but really?
    Let me ask this question then -

    How many DI women's soccer coaches went winless in their conference and then got a better job in D1 the very next year? How about in ANY Division or kind of college?

    He was there 4 years and in year 4 did not win a conference game (except the 10vs7 game in the tournament). The AD at Stetson said "hey, didn't have a winning record in D1 and couldn't win a conference game last year.....That's Our Coach!" If you're the parent of a Stetson player or recruit, what would you think? I think this coach should feel very, very lucky. He won't be needing all those sweatshirts.
     
  6. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the 2019 season, there will be 337 teams. Of those, 328 currently are filled and 9 are vacant. (I'm not counting, as vacant, schools that have interim head coaches identified on their websites but that have advertised for applicants.)

    For the 2004 season, there were 300 teams. So, there's been an increase of 37 from 2004 to 2019.
     
  7. oneofnine

    oneofnine Member

    Nov 21, 2011
    hahahaha.....soldontgetfined....so easy. Yes, I can add. I also know there were 273 teams in 2000. And in addition, there were 12 teams in the NCAA tournament the year North Carolina won their first "National Championship" - and was the first program fully funded (Cortland State beat Boston College in the first round as an FYI). The point of the post was to emphasize the fact that context means everything. I appreciate what cpthomas does in terms of statistics and numbers. I also appreciate that cpthomas doesn't try to infer to much strictly from the numbers alone- just posts the numbers. A critical number that I felt needed to be highlighted was the overall number of teams and increase in the past 14 years....which provides further context. Sorry to offend your sensitivities in that my post seemed to be elementary in its question...ha. As mentioned in prior posts - the other "context" that we are missing in terms of the number of Head Coaches is the demographic of the applicant pool, the number of people who applied, who potentially turned down the job, etc. Numbers alone aren't good enough.

    Curious as to UIC and Green Bay....any new developments (other than the ones mentioned in the most recent posts)
     
  8. devad

    devad Member

    Nov 18, 2012
    You can always tell the raggedy old former fired coaches. Some context:

    The team he inherited was 3-15-1. They had results of
    0-5 Cornell
    0-4 Mercer
    1-4 UNCG
    0-5 Samford
    0-7 ETSU
    0-4 Wofford
    1-5 Furman

    Take a look at the results in his tenure. If you can't see considerable progress then I don't know what to tell you.

    VMI and Citadel has to be the most difficult job in the country. They do not have the prestige or free tuition plus living stipend of the other service academies. It is much more stringent in terms of quality of life. They don't even get beds. They sleep on cots. Less than 10% of the population is women. It is an INCREDIBLY difficult job. It is a great hire. Come find me in 3 years and lets talk. Hope you like crow.
     
  9. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    It's a somewhat special skill working so hard to make a point, be a jerk about it, and still don't answer the question. Congrats! Wait.....there's actually lots of that here so frankly not too special. The personal dig at me seemed like a bonus really. But for the record, I've never been fired as a coach but also never been promoted after an 0-for season, since I never had one :)
    So, apparently you missed the challenge I put forth -
    "How many DI women's soccer coaches went winless in their conference and then got a better job in D1 the very next year? How about in ANY Division or kind of college?"

    Coaches who win lots of games move up, those who lose lots of games usually move down. That's pretty conventional logic and when things don't happen according to that logic, it's interesting to ask questions (or freak out if you prefer). Kind of why many read this thread.

    You just put more effort into the Stetson hire here on BS than their AD or committee did! Very funny.
     
  10. Enzo the Prince

    Sep 9, 2007
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    His point is valid tho. I coached in the SoCon with the Citadel, and that job is close to impossible. It has all the challenges of a service academy without the upside that Army and especially Navy have. I wouldn't say W-Ls there are accurately reflective of a coach's ability or potential.
     
  11. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    I'm curious: what is the upside that the Navy has over the Citadel or VMI, and even Army? tks.
     
  12. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chris Bergmann started at VMI in 2015. I just got to VMI yesterday, in a chart update project, and here's what VMI's chart shows for the period from 2007 to present:

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    The blue is Massey's rankings. The dotted blue trend line is an Order 2 Polynomial trend line, which fits well with some teams that have a "better than bottom" potential but that nevertheless bottom out under a coach, in this case around #320. The chart shows that Bergmann immediately started VMI on a positive trend, which happens with some new coaches and not others. What one can't tell from the data and chart is where the point is that VMI would reach its best potential, so one can't tell how much longer Bergmann would have been able to keep up the improvement. If he could have kept it up long enough, it would have started showing in conference results. Working with these charts a lot, however, something that seems likely is that a lot of teams have limits as to how high in the rankings they can climb, which may be the case with VMI (and with The Citadel).

    Bergmann got VMI's rank up to #272 in 2018. Stetson's average rank over the last 8 years is 246 (259 in 2018).
     
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  13. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Using Massey's rankings, here are schools' (1) best rankings over the last 12 years and (2) average rankings over the last 8 years:

    Navy: 81/128
    Army: 105/206
    Citadel: 191/293
    VMI: 248/304

    One might be able to make the case that Carin Gabarra has set the bar about as high as it can be for her school. Whether Army can get to that level remains to be seen. The Citadel and VMI seem to be in a whole different class.
     
  14. Collegewhispers

    Collegewhispers Member+

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew

    Chris is a good recruiter which is why he managed to make VMI survive. Not a great coach by all means but the guy is honest and can get kids to play for him. Hope he does well at Stetson
     
  15. Kraude1316

    Kraude1316 New Member

    Southampton
    United States
    Dec 14, 2017
    I didn’t realize VMI Stetson were so important.
     
  16. Enzo the Prince

    Sep 9, 2007
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Free tuition over The Citadel and VMI. A tradition of good players and winning programs. A nice facility right on the water. Campus abuts to a great little downtown area. A former National Team legend as coach.
     
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  17. devad

    devad Member

    Nov 18, 2012
    He isn't interested in valid points. Check his post history. On every thread he is the same predictable poster.

    To the poster who asked, the difference in Navy, Army and Air Force the difference in pretty big. Those 3 service academies offer free tuition and even monthly stipends. VMI utilizes traditional scholarships, to which they aren't even close to fully funded. EVERY PLAYER at Navy goes to school tuition free. They also carry with them a different reputation as well as rules. VMI has the most strict set of rules in the country. Like, I said, I am pretty sure they sleep on cots instead of beds. They call them "rats." It is a very very difficult job. Making them competitive is a task. I do not know CB and could not speak to any of his strengths or deficiencies but I am willing to bet captain cranky (aka Eddie K) a board ban that he is successful.
     
  18. oldmangrumpus

    oldmangrumpus Member

    Apr 13, 2015
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    unconfirmed rumor that Montevallo head coach going to Georgia as assistant. Anybody? I think Montevallo is D2 but could be mistaken.
     
  19. cali.soccer

    cali.soccer Member

    Aug 25, 2007
    Also unconfirmed that Longwood HC is headed to Athens, GA as well?
     
  20. outsiderview

    outsiderview Member

    Oct 1, 2013
    Charlotte
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Confirmed, he posted it on his social media noting it is a risk.
     
  21. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    Montevallo? Wow--yet another tiny, mysterious (to me) U.S. college. I've never heard of it, but then, no offense, there are a TON of tiny, obscure colleges in this country.
     
  22. WACySOCCERWORLD

    Jan 28, 2014
    I'd like to find out more about his departure from UNC-Charlotte after a successful run there before I sympathize with his "taking a risk"!
     
  23. outsiderview

    outsiderview Member

    Oct 1, 2013
    Charlotte
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    He was the assistant at UNCC so he probably thought being a HC at Montevallo would lead to better options. Not sure why his bio says HC. Cullen has been the HC there for 10 years.
     
  24. WACySOCCERWORLD

    Jan 28, 2014
    That's what I didn't understand. It's false information. We've all read over our bios in the paste, and if you are seeking other opportunities, you should always make sure your bio matches your resume.

    Any other updates on new hires or interviews yet?
     
  25. allovercollegesoccer

    Dec 12, 2014
    Club:
    FC Bayern München

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