2018 FIFA World Cup thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Nov 16, 2017.

  1. Phillyspur

    Phillyspur Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Mar 18, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Was thinking much the same. Seems to me Confederation loyalty becomes the main thing for many. Anyone South American is automatically preferable to anyone European. Many Brazilian fans in that thread, have they forgotten what Colombia did to Neymar 4 years ago? Bashing UEFA is more important, apparently.
     
  2. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Indeed, yeah that thread is wearing thin now tbh, some guys come on there just to spout crap about England just because they have a permanent dislike because we’re the most arrogant and ignorant football fans in the world as one poster claimed. I find it all highly amusing. lol.

    Even the mod is encouraging trolling, indicating we all love drugs. Classy, lol.
     
  3. RobTheFool

    RobTheFool Member+

    Apr 19, 2008
    London, England
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    When you’ve got a mod doing that it’s best to just stay away. Being from Egland is essentially asking to be wound up on any other forum. You can’t have a discussion without blatant trolling as per that thread. Just ignore them, most of them have been knocked out and we’re still in, so enjoy it because this doesn’t happen all too often :D
     
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  4. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
    I dont even look at other forums.
    Most threads are just trolling and pointless arguments. The same thing happened to the UEFA forum when they appointed some twat as mod . Someone who encouraged world rivalry style trolling.
     
  5. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    If we somehow managed to win the tournament, this site would simply implode with bitterness.
     
  6. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Wont happen but it would be bloody hilarious! The bitterness would explode into ’ Lucky English ’ or ’ worse side to ever win the World Cup ‘ lol
     
  7. Steve Page

    Steve Page Member

    Oct 30, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    They're scared. They all know that it is possible. It is unlikely, I'd give it 10% or less likelihood. Not sure why they hate us so much but it doesn't bother me. It bothers them.
     
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  8. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Love how everyone says we've had such an easy run up to this point but forgets about tournaments like 2010 where we had USA, Slovenia and f ucking Algeria and could only manage 2nd place (and 1 win!). I'm also having to defend Kane (something I'm not use to) on LFC's forum because he apparently has easy "tap-in goals" or PKs only. Again, I have to point out that if it was so easy to do what he's done, why haven't we had anyone do it in the last 16 years?
     
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  9. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Exactly! I revel in it, in fact I love it that they hate us. Doesn’t bother me one bit.
     
  10. Steve Page

    Steve Page Member

    Oct 30, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It is strange. I don't ever want France, Germany, Spain or Italy to win it. Just moves them further ahead of us. Usually I just want Brazil to win as for me they're the least bad alternative to England. Croatia would be ok, Belgium bearable but the main Euro teams and Argentina are always a no. I suppose three straight European wins riles them a bit and a fourth just shows them to be ordinary like, well, England.
     
  11. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    And generally forget the opposition Brazil and Germany faced in 2002.
     
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  12. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    I generally favour the Northern European or East Asian teams as they aren't absolute sh*thouses like the South Americans!
     
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  13. Steve Page

    Steve Page Member

    Oct 30, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Scandinavians and East Asians in individual matches. If Sweden were to beat us then I'd back them in the semi. Should one of those be in a position to win the cup then I'd want them to do so but generally they're not.
     
  14. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Don't even get me started on that one...

    Early 2000's Germany: Eliminated from Euro 2000 & 2004 in the group stage (no wins).

    2002 route to the final: Saudi Arabia, Rep. of Ireland, Cameroon, Paraguay, USA, South Korea.

    Ridiculous.
     
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  15. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    We're already getting the 'Oh, it's a poor tournament' stuff.

    Apparently it's a poor tournament because a lot of the 'big' teams aren't getting through :rolleyes:
     
  16. The Potter

    The Potter Member+

    Aug 26, 2004
    England
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It is an easier draw than we usually get. The Swedes will be feeling thr exact same way I know. We have had so many hard draws through the years, as others have pointed out 2002 was so aggravating, we were the second best team in that tournament imo.
     
  17. greengrass81

    greengrass81 Member

    Manchester United
    Aug 2, 2015
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    One English player who I thought would get a call up to the English team was Will Hughes . I know he is playing for Watford and he has suffered injuries this season but I remember seeing him a few games for Derby in the championship and although it was the chamionship he looked head and shoulders above any other player on the pitch .

    He reminded so much of GAZZA and scholes . Gazza with his abiilty to dribble by multiple players and scholes for his passing and vision . I am not saying Hughes will ever be as good as those guys but his talent is undeniable .

    The english media get carried away with Harry Winks which I don't really get . To me winks is too much sideways passing and not enough penetration in his passing or inventiveness .He reminds of Michael Carrick, who was a good player but never great.

    But Hughes has so much more ability on the ball , vision and awareness than Winks . He has that touch of genius . I swear if there was one club in the premier league who could do with Will Hughes it is Liverpool. His style of play is made for Liverpool and Klopp would turn him in to a star.

    Does anyone in England ever question why Southgate has never called him up ?
     
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  18. greengrass81

    greengrass81 Member

    Manchester United
    Aug 2, 2015
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    When said earlier that Ireland would win this world cup I was sayin it in jest to make a point but I still stand by my overall point that the standard of football has dropped . It is particularly noticeable in defenders and midfielders . I mean how many defenders do you see that play with calmness like the old greats . Any time an attacker gets near the box they have rush of blood and foul causing a freekick or penalty . Also there marking from corners and crosses leave a lot to be desired . Often their man has a free head at goal with nobody marking him . How often do you see them failing to block shots from thirty yards , they turn away from the ball instead of getting a block in.

    Midfielders also too specialist . You one midfielder to fill space and defend. You have another to create chances for the strikers and then you have another like ali who just hangs around the box looking for taps .

    Why cant a midfielder do all three. I am not saying that they nedd to do all three to a high level. But ever midfielder whether they are a holding midfielder , box to box midfielder , or attacking midfielder should be able to defend , create and get forward to score some goals . How midfielders in international football can do that now . I can't think of any .
     
  19. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It's interesting looking at the teams we had to face... Argentina, Sweden, Nigeria, Denmark and Brazil.

    If Germany only had to face Saudi Arabia, Rep. of Ireland, Cameroon, Paraguay, USA and South Korea before facing the same side that knocked us out, Brazil... then it could be said the same thing that people used to say about us, (that we failed the first good side we played), could also be said about them... on that occasion at least.
     
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  20. David Hurford

    David Hurford Member

    West Ham
    England
    Jul 15, 2017

    Yeah, honestly, been watching England for 30 years and this is hands-down the best tournament since France 98 for me, even if we don't progress. The amazing performance of the so-called smaller teams over the bigger teams (sweden, iceland, japan and others take a freaking bow), the number of goals, some of the types of goals, the crazy controversy despite/because of VAR, England playing their asses off, the shining of brilliant young players like Mbappe, and the fact it's in one passionate grateful country that has owned it and given it character despite Fifa's marketing department trying to make every tournament look the same. Rock on.
     
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  21. David Hurford

    David Hurford Member

    West Ham
    England
    Jul 15, 2017
    I like Hughes and have enjoyed following him since he broke into the derby team but I never felt his stats (by which I mean primarily goals and assists) added up, particularly vis-a-vis Alli or Lingard, who rightfully deserve to be ahead of him. I think an argument could be made for his inclusion verses Delph but equally Delph was brought in for the kind of versatility and experience in such roles Hughes doesn't have. With other mids emerging like Sancho Mount etc he'll have to go some to get in.
     
  22. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Hughes flatter d I deceive at derby more recently. Hopefully he improves at Watford but he’s very injury prone

    He has talent but can he stay fit?

    @greengrass81

    The reason defending has declined is due to the physical side of the game being monitored. All the best defenders were dirty and grabbed etc and fouled at the right time. Now the game is geared towards attackers more than ever with var

    The defenders who thrive now are all ball players
     
  23. RobTheFool

    RobTheFool Member+

    Apr 19, 2008
    London, England
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Rewatching Argentina’s collapse against France and I love it! Their fans are so cocky and have the balls to claim that we are cocky :D I loved watching them collapse and fail at this tournament
     
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  24. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    The Japanese were a complete joy to watch, I don't remember them continually b*tching to the ref, headbutting, scuffing penalty spots or their coach purposely 'barging' opposition players, they played hard, were a tad unlucky and were then gracious in their defeat, I have huge respect for them, just compare that to the South Americans! Different world!
     
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  25. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I'm always a bit surprised when Shelvey is brought up in the discussion as an option that this squad desperately needs. He's got a pretty good passing game but he's quite immobile and not a very intelligent player. I don't think he's ever really had a full season of consistent displays in his career either. But he's going to come in and dictate play for this group in a WC? I think I would even prefer to take the risk on Mason Mount attempting that over Shelvey.
     
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