2017 RPI calculations

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  1. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
  2. WolverineFutbol

    Aug 1, 2012
    With only a month or so left in the regular season, I think it's a statement that the ACC and BIG are both having strong years. Of course, that doesn't mean that the National Champion will come from ACC/BIG. The conference tourneys and NCAA tourney always have a few surprises!
     
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  3. gauchodan

    gauchodan Member+

    Oct 18, 2016
  4. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    So poor NC State can't even beat a school I've never heard of?
     
  5. Vilhelm

    Vilhelm Member

    Sep 9, 2005
    They used to be called USC Spartanburg. You'd probably heard of them.
     
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  6. gauchodan

    gauchodan Member+

    Oct 18, 2016
    Nobody had heard of it then, either.
     
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  7. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Why would they care? And why penalize it in RPI?
     
  8. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    I think it is time to propose some limits, like no more than 4 teams from any one conference.
     
  9. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    So you'd reward mediocrity at the expense of the better teams?

    Virginia, Louisville and Clemson are currently 6, 8 and 10 in the RPI. But ACC teams are also 1, 2, 3 and 5.

    So you would not let three top ten teams to the NCAA tournament because of their conference affiliation?

    Ohio State and Wisconsin are currently 29 and 40 but their are 4 other Big Ten teams ahead of them. Should they just stop playing this season because they aren't in the top 4 of their conference even though the NCAA Tournament is a national competition?

    Punishing schools because they are in a strong soccer conference doesn't seem like a good way to reward merit.
     
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  10. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    "Merit" lasts one year. Let's look for the long-term health of the sport.

    As the calculations show, many of those conference also-rans get good RPI numbers because of their conference opponents' non-conference records, not on their own "merit"
     
  11. theatric7

    theatric7 Member

    Nov 12, 2011
    You already get an automatic bid from some of these terrible conferences, which gives teams in those leagues something to play for. How does allowing a mediocre team into the tournament so they can get beat 3-0 in the first round help the overall health of the sport?
     
  12. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    I see you agree with me.
     
  13. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Since it ain't happening, this debate is pretty much a moot point.
     
  14. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Alternatively, what I'd like to see happen is the ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12, Big East and maybe CUSA and the American Athletic Conference (and, ideally, a couple of rando schools like Akron and UCSB) break-away and form a top shelf division of college soccer and only play each other.

    Basically akin to 1-A and 1-AA in college football but with fewer teams in 1-A. Let them have more scholarships and play by rules more inclined to send top players to the pros.

    And let all the other schools in D-I carry on with the status quo or even go to fewer than 9.9 scholarships.
     
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  15. thisisstupid

    thisisstupid Member

    Oct 31, 2003
    That said, how is the MAC RPI so strong? They’re 4th rated right now and close to overtaking the AAC as the 3rd best conference in the country. Not sure how to make sense of that.
     
  16. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Here would be the schools I'd put in 1-A in college soccer, with their current RPI and conference. A few are there on conference affiliation rather than merit and it leaves out a few currently good or traditionally strong programs but, it's a good starting point for discussion.

    1. North Carolina – ACC
    2. Notre Dame – ACC
    3. Duke – ACC
    4. Michigan State – Big Ten
    5. Wake Forest – ACC
    6. Virginia – ACC
    7. Indiana – Big Ten
    8. Louisville – ACC
    9. Maryland – Big Ten
    10. Clemson – ACC
    14. Virginia Tech – ACC
    16. Butler – Big East
    17. Michigan – Big Ten
    18. Old Dominion – CUSA
    19. Southern Methodist – American
    20. Georgetown – Big East
    21. Florida International – CUSA
    22. Akron – MAC (exemption)
    25. Stanford – PAC-12
    26. Kentucky – CUSA (for soccer)
    27. South Florida - American
    28. Pittsburgh – ACC
    29. Ohio State – Big Ten
    31. Creighton – Big East
    33. UCLA – PAC-12
    35. Tulsa – American
    39. Wisconsin – Big Ten
    40. Washington – PAC-12
    44. California – PAC-12
    47. Connecticut – American
    52. West Virginia – MAC (for soccer; exemption)
    53. Xavier – Big East
    54. Charlotte – CUSA
    56. New Mexico – CUSA (for soccer)
    58. Boston College – ACC
    59. Rutgers – Big Ten
    61. Cincinnati – AAC
    65. Alabama-Birmingham – CUSA
    66. Syracuse – ACC
    73. St. John’s – Big East
    76. Villanova – Big East
    77. NC State – ACC
    100. UC Santa Barbara – Big West (exemption)
    105. Central Florida - American
    109. Northwestern – Big Ten
    124. Penn State – Big Ten
    134. South Carolina – CUSA (for soccer)
    137. Temple – AAC
    141. Providence – Big East
    145. Marshall – CUSA
    157. San Diego State – PAC-12 (for soccer)
    160. Florida Atlantic – CUSA
    162. Memphis – American
    163. Marquette – Big East
    166. Seton Hall – Big East
    167. Oregon State – Pac-12
    186. DePaul – Big East
     
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  17. Vilhelm

    Vilhelm Member

    Sep 9, 2005
    :rolleyes:
     
  18. gauchodan

    gauchodan Member+

    Oct 18, 2016
    A pair of games were postponed in the Bay Area tonight, due to air quality issues related to the fires in the Napa/Sonoma region to the northeast:
    • Pacific at San Francisco
    • Saint Mary's at Santa Clara
     
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  19. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    only if there's Pro/Rel.... lol
     
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  20. gauchodan

    gauchodan Member+

    Oct 18, 2016
    The NCAA waited until today to release its latest calculations, but for games through Oct. 15. In order to validate my rankings, I needed to temporarily delete last night's Horizon League result. Even after that, it still wasn't matching up until I discovered the NCAA had included a fake 0-0 draw between Holy Cross and American in addition to the actual 2-1 victory for AU. I've notified the NCAA...validation will have to wait!
     
  21. theatric7

    theatric7 Member

    Nov 12, 2011
    Love the work that you've done here! I've spent several hours at work looking up stats and results through your page. The perfect cure to boredom.
     
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  22. BigRedFootie

    BigRedFootie Member+

    Jan 31, 2003
    B-town
    How about relegation and promotion, too?
     
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  23. BigRedFootie

    BigRedFootie Member+

    Jan 31, 2003
    B-town
    They don't deserve you, GauchoDan!
     
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  24. gauchodan

    gauchodan Member+

    Oct 18, 2016
    The NCAA soccer guy usually responds to my e-mails. I do this for baseball and men's basketball as well, and I'll e-mail them too if I catch an error. I usually don't hear back but the corrections get made. I'll also e-mail conferences over their inaccurate standings...the MAAC had three errors in win-loss-draw records for a few weeks before I finally got sick of them and e-mailed them.

    And, of course, you guys catch my errors as well! Another e-mailer to me is South Carolina head coach Mark Berson...he watches me like a hawk! I feel really bad for him and the Gamecocks this season...didn't realize he's been there 38 years.
     
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  25. gauchodan

    gauchodan Member+

    Oct 18, 2016
    October 22 update: the NCAA fixed the Holy Cross-American error. We are back in sync!
     
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