2017 NBA Off-season Thread

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  1. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey! I already said I'm not taking Kobe over LeBron. :p
     
  2. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good. Because if you did, you'd be crazy. He ain't even in the conversation.
     
  3. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    He had shooters and big z

    Ai had a decrepit mutombo
     
  4. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Kobe was more skilled than lebron though but lebron has more impact

    If u swapped bodies u would see one average player and one Demi god
     
  5. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    How far are you planning to reach to discredit James?
     
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  6. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    What skill does lebron have that is superior to kobe? Passing?
     
  7. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kobe's still well within top 10 or so all time, we don't need to slam one legend to prop up another one. 33600+ career points!

    Steve Nash is more skilled than LeBron probably, but LeBron is a better basketball player. The issue isn't one particular element of what makes a player, like their respective "skill" or technique... it's the efficacy of the whole package.
     
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  8. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But to answer your question LeBron has better instincts as a help defender than Kobe. He's got better court vision than Kobe, and certainly over the course of his career he is a better and more willing passer than Kobe.

    And none of those are due to his physical advantages.
     
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  9. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It's like saying Brandon Jennings is a more skilled player than George Hill. This, while technically true, is also completely meaningless, because Hill is a much more efficient shooter, a better facilitator and more willing passer with better decision-making, and a more effective overall player. What use is nebulous "skill" if it doesn't translate to being a better player? This isn't street ball or freestyle.
     
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  10. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Take it to any extreme you want... Pau Gasol is more skilled than Shaq. Yes, and?
     
  11. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    I think Lebron and Shaq are exceptions to the rule. You almost never see athletes built in such unique way that they can dominate their sport. It's amazing how agile Shaq was for his size and how quick Lebron is for his.

    But I totally agree with your argument about skills vs whole package. As an example, there are ton of tennis players who were more skilled than Jim Courrier, yet he won 4 Grand Slams and Goran Ivanisevic won one.
     
  12. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    He had a decrepit shaq.. Next.
     
  13. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Better defensively, better court vision, better passing, team building, rebounding, 3 point percentage, efficiency, effective field goal percentage, less reliant on jumpers.

    Kobe was arguably more talented offensively than MJ too, but that doesn't say a lot about who was the better player.
     
  14. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    I can't believe people are trying this hard to discredit LBJ.. Like stop it my guy.
     
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  15. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    New York City FC
    I don't even like the guy. He's not that much fun to watch. He's got an ugly jumper that he can't rely on midrange - he finally developed some semblance of a post game - and he doesn't have ice water in his veins like some other greats. But I'm also picking him first over probably everyone not named Mike for Basketball Mount Everest.
     
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  16. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MJ, Magic, LeBron are locks IMO. 4th guy, I can be talked a lot of ways.
     
  17. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Kareem
    Wilt
    Bird
    Russel

    ???
     
  18. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bird I guess is in contention. I put a lot of others before him.

    The old guys like Russell and Wilt and Oscar, I don't know how to judge them against the modern era and I didn't watch them so I leave that to others to decide. Really I'm just talking about my lifetime as a fan.

    Kareem is in contention, but still I missed his early years and thus don't have a great idea of how he stacks up on the whole from having watched him closely.
     
  19. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Kareem is a legend, but Nowitzki had an unstoppable shot too and he took a rag tag team to the Finals and beat a super team. I also didn't see him in his Milwaukee days, but his LA days? Didn't scream top 3 player to me, although I'm sure some basketball historians might disagree. Shaq was one of the most unstoppable forces I've seen play but his devotion to his craft lags way behind guys like Jordan and Kobe even.

    My mount rushmore is probably MJ, Magic, LBJ too - that 4th spot is tough. I'd love to put Duncan there - longevity and consistency, multiple titles, best power forward ever, made others better - but I'd probably lean towards Wilt, although I never saw him play.
     
  20. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    How about Hakeem?
     
  21. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    You don't have to remove it, but i use it for context. For example. Larry Bird averaged 10 rebounds a game over his career. LeBron doesnt average up to 8. Larry is not very athletic and played im a time without small ball and a much more physical game.

    I guess all these NBA players are crazy too.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...and-kobe-bryant-to-take-last-shot-over-lebron

    https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/02/15/michael-jordan-kobe-bryant-lebron-james



    http://m.espn.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=4152896&id=12996326&src=desktop

    And many more


    Just a minor disagree here. That Dallas team was not a rag tsg team. They were a 50 to 60 win team consistently for at keast 5 years. Starting with Don Nelson. They won at least 50 games, 11 straight seasons
     
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  22. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Benni me and u vs every one else
     
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  23. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  24. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Decent except wolves

    Most overrated team in the NBA
     
  25. zohee

    zohee Member+

    May 28, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Slovenia
    With all due respect to Thomas, I think this trade takes Cleveland out of any serious consideration of beating the Warriors.
     

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