2017 NBA Off-season Thread

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  1. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Yep, overrated volume shooter

    Wall is better st almost every aspect of the game

    Just another overrated sa flush ISO player not capable without super lebron
     
  2. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    HAVe you not watch 16 finals..
    Cavs don't win without kyrie
     
  3. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Congrats on that great moment. Winning a ring doesnt make you better.

    Fisher isnt better than AI.
    Bj Armstrong isnt better than John Stockton
     
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  4. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lol what a horrible comparison
    Again... no kyrie - no ring
    You really cannot say the same thing about bj Armstrong or fisher
    As kyrie avg MVP type numbers in finals
    Do you watch NBA

    No where did I say that winning ring makes you better than a player not winning ring
    Key question is- what and how much the player produced in finals

    Wall is conparable player to kyrie... but kyrie has performed wel in playoffs - particularly in finals .. wall does not have same CV of playoffs
     
  5. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    How good why was kyrie minus lebron? Kyrie does not make the wiz better if u Swap them round
     
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  6. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Without Lebron, they dont make the playoffs.

    John Wall averaged 27ppg and 10 ass pg this year in the playoffs.

    Kyrie averaged 26 and 5.

    This is before you consider Wall's rebounding and defense. Wall also averaged a double double last 2 years in playoffs.
     
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  7. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lol
    What a silly post
    Lebron is best player in league
    So what
     
  8. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has wall put up those numbers in finals ?

    I have no idea what your point is ...
    Wall and Irving are good players
    Irving has proven to play in well in finals
    Wall has not ... yet

    Neither can be no 1 on team and win title
     
  9. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Put wall on the same team as lebron with that cast and they are better

    Irving is a good scorer and has nice handles

    Not much else
     
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  10. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    Wall would absolutely not fit LeBron Ball at all.. Wth
     
  11. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Outside of the inconsistent scorer, you are right. Bad defender, poor passer. Wall is better. Kyrie has been carried by LeBron, and his record his entire career, without LeBron, speaks for itself.
     
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  12. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Wall would fit worse, but he's a better player.
     
  13. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    If they had wall and other shooters it would be fine
     
  14. os_mutante

    os_mutante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2003
    City of Bad Carls
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're pretty similar tbh. Wall is much better defensively, Kyrie is a better shooter.

    Also if this trade really happens then it looks like Draymond got what he wanted when he said he wanted to annihilate the Cavs. They're a year away from being a lottery team. Again.
     
  15. zohee

    zohee Member+

    May 28, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Slovenia
    If they lose Irving, they're still the best in the East, IMO. If they lose Lebron, they're likely going to be dead last. I don't see it happening though. He has zero negotiation levarage.
     
  16. os_mutante

    os_mutante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2003
    City of Bad Carls
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The rumor and innuendo if that Kyrie wants out because LeBron is definitely out and Kyrie doesn't want to sit around for the bitter end. Maybe if the Cavs had landed either Butler and/or PG things could have been salvaged.
     
  17. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Wall is also a vastly superior passer/facilitator with much better court vision.
     
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  18. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As I said before, this is my opinion of it. He doesn't want to stick with a team he knows will be irrelevant a year from now. It's the same reason why LeBron, reportedly, is not going to fight to keep Kyrie around ... because he is OUT in a year anyway.
     
  19. os_mutante

    os_mutante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2003
    City of Bad Carls
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Definitely true for the moment, guess we'll see if Kyrie is as comparable as he must think he is if/when he gets traded.
     
  20. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't be shocked if lebron leaves Cleveland second time
    Not saying if it's going or not going to happen
    But wouldn't that move hurt his legacy ?
     
  21. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    LeBron legacy is etched in stone I feel like unless his next move is really LA.
     
  22. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Top 10 player ish?
     
  23. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only top 10??

    Him going to the Lakers doesn't change anything just like MJ on the Wizards doesn't REALLY change anything... it's one last ego move before retirement -- MJ is still the GOAT, and LeBron is still on NBA's Mt Rushmore after a couple seasons of WCF runs with the Lakers.
     
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  24. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    tend to agree
    Will clevalanders burn his jersey again?
     
  25. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Nah. He got them that ring. Which is more than the Browns have done for Cleveland since ever.
     
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