Yeah obviously we need to do a system overhaul domestically. Not going to happen. Again, Korean youth do not play much organize sports so this hinders us tremendously. We live in a culture where education is everything and there aren't really any slums where kids play soccer all the time out in the streets (which have made Brazil a powerhouse).
It's the same in Japan but were able to create a good infrastructure/environment. This logic of "just send kids to Europe" is immensely flawed logic, especially when you consider the sacrifice the families have to make (not to mention, throwing kids into lion's den).
I could think of dozen arguments why sending promising player to Europe to develop could prove to be ineffective but you go for the race card. That's so ignorant.
I wasn't going for the race card at all. It has more to do w/ EU clubs wanting to develop their own local based youth players. If you are outside of EU, as frustrating it is for me to say... the kids are nothing but inexpensive gamble where they have to be immensely better over their EU counterparts to move up the ladder. edit - another issue, can't obtain EU passport.
We've seen the kids going to Europe story many times now and it doesn't take much effort to figure out why things haven't worked for us. You have two kids of similar ability, you're of course going to go with the one who looks like he's smarter or quicker thinking or more coachable because they understand the language. You have a kid going through challenges on/off the pitch, whether its injuries or poor form or homesickness, and of course teenagers who aren't emotionally mature will let issues snowball. The pro clubs also have tons of resources available to them... if a kid doesn't pan out fast enough, there are tons of options for alternatives both at youth (poaching from other academies) or pro. As a country with far fewer prospects, we have to nurture the ones we have.
Sigh, well done Asia. Korea/Japan out. SA against Uruguay tomorrow . Iran didn't even make the party. Clean sweep just like 2014. 2018 should be fun...
The way you get over problems with home sickness, emotional immaturity, language barrier is to increase exposure and support not by avoiding it. World Cup and international football is outside of Korea. Why is this even an issue in any sort of way? Real reform and progress that has to happen within Korean football has nothing to gain by stunting player development for promising Korean footballers. This is not a zero sum situation. WTF.
We have lost dozens of kids now to this plan to produce Son and the hope that LSW can find a first team.
You're ignoring the fact just sending kids to Europe can not only stunt but instantly kill their promising careers too. Without EU passport, families must either immigrate entirely or hope some 18+ yr old gets lucky. So far, sending 18+ yr olds to EU academies/reserves have been nothing but failure. Not one single success story.
It's hard to compare our situation with Europe/South America. We're more similar to the USA/CAN/AUS. Does anyone think the USA will ever catch up to those guys, even though they have more money? The USA is cutting corners using dual nationals and people with the barest connection to the US, that's probably our best shot I don't think the situation will really ever change. Africa/Asia/North America/Oceania/Eastern Europe will always be lucky to make last 16 or QF. If you really sit down and write the top teams down, it isn't that surprising to see that becoming a top 12ish is going to be close to impossible. I mean what's the difference between us and Egypt, or Japan, or Ivory Coast, or Denmark? They have the same ambition thinking why aren't we as good as X or Y team. It's the carrot/stick syndrome, we think we're going towards a reachable goal but in reality we're in standing motion. Maybe even going slightly backwards.
18+ is WAY too late. Footballers are made way before that. The top players are making their debuts at 16/17/18 in first team. And since they didn't just become a great player and were developed, it's reasonable to assume the 13-16 section is maybe the most important stage. Hence, why the situation isn't going to improve, I honestly think our NT will get worse in 20 years from today. If players can't leave before 18 then you tell me what's going to happen.
We would be wearing straw slippers and farming with cows with your intractable mindset. This is hilarious. Dude why are you so mushinkhae? It's downright comical. The plan is not just sending kids to Europe without EU passport with their families paying for everything. WTF, I can't believe I'm having this exchange on BSK. You don't strategize about an entire country's youth development based on perceived roadblocks from past failed experiences in the simple one dimensional way that you're doing. You assess situation, negotiate options, propose creative solutions and rework plans with a measure of sophistication befitting of the future of Korean football. It's actually shouldn't be that hard for a country with Korea's resources.
By all means.. what are your "creative" solutions? There are rules & regulations to follow. One is for families to immigrate.. there isn't much to "negotiate" unless you can get KFA to change FIFA rules (along w/ other international laws). or the other option, the Chinese way. Purchase clubs + follow Wanda Group .... spend billions for EU clubs to train their kids but can't play on official matches.
It has to happen organically. Look at Asian fans, we care more about europe than our own leagues. The K league section of this forum is dead. The reason S. America is different is because their fans will watch and fill the stadiums regardless. Oscar said if it wasn't for money he would never have left, Tevez always wanted to return, Messi's dream is to return to Boca. Neymar stayed an extra 2 years in Santos and seemed to enjoy his life. Playing in the K league or MLS, people tend to look down on them like this forum. That wouldn't happen in those leagues. Hence no progress. The people that think this way might as well put on a Spa/Ger/Bra shirt on and cheer every 4 years. No difference than putting on a RM/Bar/BM and watching every match/transfer/etc. Watching a CL team for domestic and then a team like Korea for Internationals and expecting to be competing every cycle also is a fail situation. It would be more comparable to support Stoke or Crystal Palace and every year watching/supporting and being stuck more or less in place.
Korea's situation is similar to Japan and USA without the money and severely retarded leadership and management at all levels. A real cancerous component to Korean football is adherence to Korean internal power culture that is based on loyalty, hierarchy and cronyism. The flipside is vilification of players who don't kowtow to this system. This was Hiddink's observation during his tenure as well and frankly Korea suffers across the board in all organizational systems bc of this.
By your loser logic, you shouldn't ask out some hot girl bc a Chinese fob kid from Shenzhen already asked her out and she said no.
1. Do you care for the well being of the kid & the families at all? 2. Again, there are serious limitations on the whole "send as much kids to Europe as possible" logic. 3. Don't you think it is better to find "creative" solutions to develop the infrastructure of Korea instead of hoping some random kid succeed in Europe? Even if you find one.. out of thousands, he alone can't change KFA, Korean football or the team.
Their 3rd goal looked like a goal that I would score in my league dribbling around 2-3 players. This defense is so bad lol
Lol wtf are you blabbering about? It always starts with grassroots organization. KFA, along with the K-League needs to learn how to nurture young players and if they are talented enough, should consider moving up to higher stages (i.e. Buli,PL,etc).