News: 2015-16 General Discussion Thread

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  1. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Actually, it is more true than you think. Many follow it passionately, others follow cycling, F1 other sports and others, usually non-footy fans, just watch a few matches here and there for the atmosphere and party but not for anything else. No tears shed if the team loses.
     
  2. P to the Wee

    P to the Wee Red Card

    Nov 22, 2011
    Susan is a Little Lamb
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Sorry, the way I understood it, he is talking about people who usually care about results are uninterested this year. I guess he can clarify.
     
  3. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Right, I see what you mean now that I reread the post.
     
  4. bvbSlash

    bvbSlash Member+

    Jan 7, 2014
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    If by many Germans you mean the general population then yes absolutely. Most don't give a flying fack about football.

    But if you mean general football fans then you're wrong. Because bandwagoners or occasional fans do follow their respective NT. I mean those are who international tournaments are meant for. That is FIFA's target market. A big majority of this crowd won't be able to tell you the difference between Badstuber and Howedes. Some idiots still wonder why Podolski was selected but Lewandowski wasn't. And I am not even joking. I have actively been involved in these conversations.
     
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  5. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Weigl's biggest hurdle is that he is too similar to Toni Kroos.
     
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  6. bvbSlash

    bvbSlash Member+

    Jan 7, 2014
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I disagree. Look at his stats. He's better defensively and Kroos has better passing figures.
     
  7. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Weigl still doesn't provide the forward impetus that Germany often require of Khedira, who he's replacing.
     
  8. Raumdeuter

    Raumdeuter Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Neither Kroos nor Weigl provide that physical presence that Schweini or Khedira provides. I would say Can is the closest to a Khedira presence in midfield

    France are flooding the midfield with Kante, Matuidi and Pogba with Sisoko an option
     
  9. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    They are both deep lying play-makers. I don't think Loew is going to use a system with two players doing the same role.
     
  10. bvbSlash

    bvbSlash Member+

    Jan 7, 2014
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I don't know what Löw will do. I'm just saying that they are relatively different. It's obvious from their styles and stats. Kroos gets forward much more often than Weigl. Google their heat maps.
     
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  11. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Weigl is more of a Busquets than a Kroos though; I see Slash's point.
     
  12. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    They of course have their differences, but I just don't see them playing together in midfield. Maybe in a 4-3-3 where Weigl is the lone 6 and kroos + one other plays ahead of him.
     
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  13. bumbleBeeVB

    bumbleBeeVB Member+

    Aug 6, 2014
    NYC
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kroos offers more going forward .
     
  14. bvbSlash

    bvbSlash Member+

    Jan 7, 2014
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I know.
     
  15. bumbleBeeVB

    bumbleBeeVB Member+

    Aug 6, 2014
    NYC
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope weigl can develope that side a bit more, at least maybe a good outside shot.
     
  16. bvbSlash

    bvbSlash Member+

    Jan 7, 2014
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    BTW guys. We broke our purchase price and selling price record with the same player. :)
     
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  17. Rosebud

    Rosebud Member+

    Aug 5, 2012
    Chicago, IL, USA
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #1317 Rosebud, Jul 6, 2016
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2016
    Draxler/Kruse -- Mueller/Brandt
    Ozil
    Dahoud - Kroos
    Weigl
    Hector - Hummels - Boateng - Kimmich
    Neuer​

    ...would've been pretty sweet, wouldn't it Jogi...
     
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  18. swit0539

    swit0539 Member+

    Aug 13, 2008
    Sydney
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    11 Freunde (German football magazine) has released it's yearly awards. Winners are selected from a panel of past players, coaches, journalists. Previous winners include Marco Reus, Kloppo and Susi Zorc. Here they are:

    Player of the season
    1. Robert Lewandowski
    2. Auba
    3. Thomas Mueller

    Bloke of the year ("Typ der Saison") (kinda like personality of the year I guess...)

    1. Claudio Pizarro
    2. Robert Huth
    3. Aytac Sulu

    Manger of the year
    1. Christian Heidel
    2. Max Eberl
    3. Michael Reschke

    Coach of the year:
    1. Thomas Tuchel
    2. Dirk Schuster
    3. Ralph Hasenhuettl

    Newcomer of the year:
    1. Julian Weigl
    2. Mahmoud Dahoud
    3. Joshua Kimmich

    Fan action of the year:
    1. Werder Bremen mit "greenwhite wonderwall"

    congrats to all, especially our wonderful BVB players and coach!
     
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  19. Dave46

    Dave46 Member+

    Nov 30, 2013
    Las Vegas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Armenia
    Muller did not do much to be in top 3.
     
  20. eaglespark

    eaglespark Member+

    Apr 9, 2015
    Club:
    Crystal Palace FC
    Well France didn't flood the midfield. Deschamps in the end trusted his players. He trusted Pogba and Matuidi would be enough to compete. He didn't force Payet to constantly track back, but trusted Evra. He played Griezeman up top. After a fantastic performance against a weaker team like Iceland, he kept the momentum and played the same team.

    The team should have been:
    Neuer
    Kimmich/Ginter Boateng Hummels Hector/Schmelzer
    Kroos Weigl
    Muller Ozil Draxler
    Gomez

    With the injury to Gomez then Muller should have played upfront, but with Schurrle as his replacement. Though Lowe should have made up with Kiessling and taken him. He got lucky that Klose didn't get injured or suspended in the world cup, but once again he should have taken Kiessling to that tournament as well.
     
  21. Rosebud

    Rosebud Member+

    Aug 5, 2012
    Chicago, IL, USA
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The team should have been

    Draxler/Kruse - Muller/Brandt
    Ozil
    Dahoud - Kroos
    Weigl
    Hector - Hummels - Boateng - Kimmich

    Given all of the injuries; but Hummels was suspended, and Jogi forgot to bring along Dahoud, Brandt or Kruse.
     
  22. Dave46

    Dave46 Member+

    Nov 30, 2013
    Las Vegas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Armenia
    See, but Weigl was a liabilty, did not have CL experience:) like Can has tonn of CL experience. I like the result, France deserves to be in the finals. Big hello to Lahmfan:)
     
  23. Raumdeuter

    Raumdeuter Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I dont think the lineup today was that bad given the circumstances (Hummels Khedira and Gomez missing)

    They had the game under control but the attackers were horrible, Muller has been in a funk for like 4months and Schweini had to handle the ball.

    Before the Schweini handball the game could have gone both ways. At the end Boateng also got injured

    Thats Boa, Hummels, Khedira Gomez out, Schweini injured Only Kroos and Muller left and one of them have the worst slump of his career in the past 8yrs
     
  24. Dave46

    Dave46 Member+

    Nov 30, 2013
    Las Vegas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Armenia
    Boateng got lucky that Giroud got the ball after his mistake.
     
  25. eaglespark

    eaglespark Member+

    Apr 9, 2015
    Club:
    Crystal Palace FC
    How can you have the game under control when your attacks are horrible? How do you plan to score and win the game? Dominating possession is meaningless if it's not meaningful and you are not creating chances. Worse France looked dangerous and it was more due to Giroud's weaknesses that they did not have more clear cut chances.

    Injuries didn't help, but part of the reasons injuries hurt this team so much was Loew's selection of players for the tournament was pathetic.

    Picking Can was always going to be a bad mistake and hurt the team. Can is currently not that great and really added nothing. All playing Can did was take up a useful body that could have been used to support Muller.

    Then the attack lacked directness and pace. There was never anyone trying to make runs in behind and stretch the four. With Reus injured Schurrle should have been used for this role.

    Finally what was the point in pushing the full backs so high except to use as an extra option to keep possession? The weakest part of the team were the full backs. Kimmich and Hector were never going to hurt the French. Even more so when they were crossing the ball into just Muller.
     

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