2014 World Cup Seedings

Discussion in 'World Cup 2014: General' started by seadondo, Jun 7, 2013.

  1. Webo

    Webo Member

    Sep 12, 2013
    Thus, here then would be the groups: (sorry for all the spelling mistakes)

    GROUP A
    Brazil
    Russia
    Cameron
    Australia

    GROUP B
    Spain
    Croatia
    Niegira
    South Korea

    GROUP C
    Germany
    Bosnia
    Algeria
    Iran

    GROUP D
    Argentina
    Greece
    Ghana
    Japan

    GROUP E
    Colombia
    Portugal
    France
    Hondoras
    GROUP F
    Belgium
    England
    Ecuador
    Costa Rica

    GROUP G
    Uruguay
    Italy
    Ivery coast
    Mexico

    GROUP H
    Swiss
    Netherlands
    Chile
    USA
     
  2. Webo

    Webo Member

    Sep 12, 2013
    but this system penalizes the top ranked of the last two POTs...so not sure if this would work
     
  3. Chris Zito

    Chris Zito Member

    Oct 17, 2013
    San Diego, CA, USA
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, your distribution is skewed. And there is no randomness. A little randomness is good to make it interesting.

    See my post #1489. The attached spreadsheet visualizes my idea.
     

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  4. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    @Webo : The answer to most of your questions is: money. The FIFA draw is a big production watched by tens if not hundreds of millions of people. Not to mention the hype around the draw is a good way to hype the World Cup itself.

    IMO your idea sounds boring (no offense, just my opinion). I like the "luck" element as it adds drama. But also, you're not going to have a totally fair system no matter what since everyone has a different schedule. So no need to get carried-away with a boring, overly detailed seeding system.

    I guess you must really hate the FA Cup since the draw is totally random. But fact is most people prefer that system over, say, the Coppa Italia which is entirely based on how teams were ranked the previous season (*yawn*).
     
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  5. Chris Zito

    Chris Zito Member

    Oct 17, 2013
    San Diego, CA, USA
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I tweaked the last two pots. Now a "blue" group or a "old" group can have a representative from any of the 5 confederations.
     

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  6. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    In previous posts the impact of friendlies on the FIFA ranking was questionned ... the same discussion can be found in the comments section on football-rankings.info. According to them this would be the top 30 of the October 2013 ranking if friendlies were completely excluded from the calculations (in parentheses the difference in position with the current October 2013 ranking). Regarding the seeds these would be the:

    - Winners: Holland, Italy and Chile
    - Losers: Switzerland, Colombia and Uruguay

    1 Spain 2127 (-)
    2 Brazil 2012 (+9)
    3 Germany 1902 (-1)
    4 Argentina 1727 (-1)
    5 Netherlands 1652 (+3)
    6 Italy 1641 (+2)
    7 Belgium 1590 (-2)
    8 Chile 1577 (+4)
    9 Switzerland 1471 (-2)
    10 Uruguay 1433 (-4)
    11 USA 1419 (+2)
    12 England 1398 (-2)
    13 Portugal 1393 (+1)
    14 Colombia 1378 (-10)
    15 France 1255 (+6)
    16 Denmark 1228 (+10)
    17 Greece 1227 (-2)
    18 Bosnia-Herzegovina 1199 (-2)
    19 Ghana 1128 (+4)
    20 Russia 1111 (-1)
    21 Croatia 1103 (-3)
    21 Mexico 1103 (+3)
    23 Cote d'Ivoire 1078 (-6)
    24 Sweden 1033 (+1)
    24 Serbia 1033 (+4)
    26 Slovenia 983 (+4)
    27 Ecuador 967 (-5)
    28 Venezuela 959 (+9)
    29 Egypt 954 (+22)
    30 Ukraine 937 (-10)
     
  7. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    This:

    Belgium 0 Colombia 2

    P.S. Switzerland losing to South Korea is funny.:D I'd like to see Blatter's face after this defeat. His shitty ranking sucks.
     
  8. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    South Korea should take Switzerland's seed!!!
     
  9. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Better Italy or Netherlands instead.
     
  10. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I was joking...
     
  11. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Yeah, I know it:thumbsup:
     
  12. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Serbia outplaying WC bound Russia. This Russian team looks mediocre.
     
  13. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Maybe we should be a little more careful about assuming France are going to the WC?
     
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  14. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Supposing Croatia beat Iceland it looks lik Ukraine will be the 9th Euro seed... One potential group of death configuration avoided?
     
  15. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    France are by no means out. They could still qualify, so let's not make any absolute statements.
     
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  16. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    Really was looking forward to see what Pogba might do... :(
     
  17. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    Guessing Croatia will grasp a WC berth at home and Greece should be able to defend their lead away from home ... defensively the Greeks are always a hard nut to crack and now they're in an excellent position. It's also hard to score against Portugal but at home Sweden could manage it ... still feel Portugal will be the favourite (greater number of goals scored away from home could even come into play). France got banged up by Ukraine ... I wouldn't discount them right away but the French have a huge task in front of them. So far it's looking as if all the 'play-off seeds' will claim their ticket.
     
  18. wiz0rd

    wiz0rd Member

    Sep 5, 2009
    Moscow
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Dude, it's Russia

    they never give a shit about friendlies. Last 3 years we haven't won a single friendly game. Loss to Iran 0-1, loss to Qatar 0-1, loss to Belgium 0-2, tie with USA 2-2, tie with Brazil 1-1, tie with Ivory Coast 1-1, tie with Uruguay 1-1, tie with Argentina 1-1. oh sorry. we have beaten Iceland 2-0.

    Plus it wasn't even a starter team today. Capello was trying some new faces as well.
     
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  19. silicus

    silicus Member

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Feb 26, 2008
    Silicon Valley, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would like the World Cup to be based on the Elo Ratings which at least seem a bit better than the FIFA rankings. I would have four pots based solely on Elo Rating of the qualified teams. POT A is #1-#8, POT B is #9-#16, etc. http://eloratings.net/

    When I drew them with only ensuring Brazil in position A1. There were only a few groups with more than their usual number of Confederation caps in previous World Cups. I like the more balanced groups that resulted.

    Group A ---------------- Group B ------------Group C -----------------Group D
    A1 #1 Brazil ------------- B1 #3 Germany ------ C1 #5 Netherlands ----- D1 #4 Argentina
    A2 #15 Ukraine --------- B2 #14 Swiss --------- C2 #9 Chile ------------ D2 #11 Portugal
    A3 #24 Costa Rica ------- B3 #19 Ivory Coast --- C3 #22 Mexico -------- D3 #21 Bosnia&H
    A4 #32 Algeria/BFaso --- B4 #28 Australia ------ C4 #29 South Korea --- D4 #27 Iran

    Group E ----------- Group F ----------- Group G ------------- Group H
    E1 #2 Spain -------- F1 #7 Uruguay ---- G1 #8 Colombia ----- H1 #6 England
    E2 #12 USA -------- F2 #16 Ecuador --- G2 #10 Italy -------- H2 #13 Belgium
    E3 #20 Croatia ----- F3 #23 Japan ----- G3 #18 Russia ------- H3 #17 Greece
    E4 #30 Honduras --- F4 #25 Ghana ---- G4 #31 Cameroon --- H4 #26 Nigeria

    But once again my USA would find a way to run into Ghana in the Round of 16 and lose.
     
  20. Gonchi

    Gonchi Member

    Apr 23, 2009
    Only issue I see with this is that you'd get two CONMEBOL teams in one group and another with 3 UEFA sides. Switch Uruguay with England or Ecuador with Greece and I think this would be a fine draw.

    EDIT: There also a group with two CONCACAF teams.
     
  21. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Other than UEFA, who with 13 allocations will definitely have several groups with more than 1 team, no group should have more than one team from any confederation. To violate that rule would be a big no no in my book and it would be utterly unfair. For instance, in the Group E above by Silicus, you have the US and Honduras in the same group. That is not right.

    Other than making sure the above rule was observed, I would not mind at all if the groups were decided based on the ranking of teams. In this regard, while ELO rankings might be better than FIFA's, it would be absurd for FIFA to employ another ranking over its own. The focus, therefore, should be for FIFA to fix its rankings so we can have a sensible system.

    When the ranking is fixed, groups can be chosen instead of based on "luck of the draw", based on rankings with adjustments made for the host as well as to segregate teams from the same confederation, with the first 8 groups decided by having A1 (host), B1-H1 (#1-#7), A2-H2 (#8-16), B3-H3, A3(weakest-strongest skipping teams that are from same confederation to next group), B4-H4, A4(strongest-weakest, skipping teams from same confederation to next group).

    In any case, even with the flaws in the current FIFA rankings, assuming Algeria, Portugal, Greece, Ukraine and Croatia qualify to round off the final 32 WC finalists, the groups would look as follows (to better follow the methodology I am using, Group A is listed out of sequence).

    Group B
    1. Spain (#1)
    2. Bosnia (#16)
    3. Ivory Coast (#17)
    4. Australia (#57)

    Group C
    1. Germany (#2)
    2. Greece (#15)
    3. Ghana (#23)
    4. South Korea (#56)

    Group D
    1. Argentina (#3)
    2. Portugal (#14)
    3. Croatia (#18)
    4. Cameroon (#59)
    Group E
    1. Colombia (#4)
    2. USA (#13)
    3. Russia (#19)
    4. Iran (#49)
    Group F
    1. Belgium (#5)
    2. Chile (#12)
    3. Ukraine (#20)
    4. Japan (#44)
    Group G
    1. Uruguay (#6)
    2. England (#10)
    3. Ecuador (#22)
    4. Honduras (#34)
    Group H
    1. Switzerland (#7)
    2. Italy (#8)
    3. Mexico (#24)
    4. Nigeria (#33)
    Group A (hosts)

    1. Brazil (#11)
    2. Netherlands (#8)
    3. Costa Rica (#31)
    4. Algeria (#32)
    P.S.

    I love Iran's group! Iran, the US and Russia in the mix, that group would be pretty interesting politically, while in footballing terms we had defeated the Russians in our last friendly match against one another and of course beat the US in WC98, while our top seed, Colombia, is not the most fearsome top seed we could get either.

    P.S.S

    Italicized names are countries who have been pushed to the next available group to avoid having teams from the same confederation together (or, in UEFA's case, avoid more than 2 UEFA sides in the same group).
     
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  22. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Well, actually, Ecuador and Ghana would need switch places in the groups I listed to avoid having 2 CONMEBOL teams in any one group. Thus, the groups would be as follows:


    Group B
    1. Spain (#1)
    2. Bosnia (#16)
    3. Ivory Coast (#17)
    4. Australia (#57)

    Group C
    1. Germany (#2)
    2. Greece (#15)
    3. Ecuador (#22)
    4. South Korea (#56)

    Group D
    1. Argentina (#3)
    2. Portugal (#14)
    3. Croatia (#18)
    4. Cameroon (#59)
    Group E
    1. Colombia (#4)
    2. USA (#13)
    3. Russia (#19)
    4. Iran (#49)
    Group F
    1. Belgium (#5)
    2. Chile (#12)
    3. Ukraine (#20)
    4. Japan (#44)
    Group G
    1. Uruguay (#6)
    2. England (#10)
    3. Nigeria (#23)
    4. Honduras (#34)
    Group H
    1. Switzerland (#7)
    2. Italy (#8)
    3. Mexico (#24)
    4. Nigeria (#33)
    Group A (hosts)

    1. Brazil (#11)
    2. Netherlands (#8)
    3. Costa Rica (#31)
    4. Algeria (#32)
     
  23. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    You have Nigeria twice
     
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  24. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    No, that's still not right, since somehow I have Nigeria in 2 groups. I don't know how that happened and I don't want to make a mess of this thread, posting the groups again. My main point is that we can have World Cup groups decided, not randomly, but by how teams rank even as we segregate teams from the same confederation.
     
  25. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    By the ranking, he meant Ghana in Group G, in which case it would be interesting to have them play Uruguay once again.
     
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