2014 FIFA World Cup™ Semi-Finals: Germany vs Brazil| Tuesday, Jul 8, 3:00 PM

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And honestly, if they decided not to run the score wouldn't it be even more humiliating to say after the game, yeah we decided not to run the score so we wouldn't embarrass them.

These to me are clear indications that Germany decided to keep going as the game was still valid and keep on playing, not allowing themselves to fall into a "whatever we won already" and to still give 100% in order not to humiliate the host.

Or they wouldn't come out after the game and said, yeah we didn't want to run the score so we took it easy.

 

Apparently it is not. That was all over the news even here.

 

Just imagine if Argentina had played brazil on that day... they would never had stopped scoring... just setting up the worst humilation of their rival possible..

 

Muller just came out on the press conference in Rio and flat out said they didn't stop whatsoever they talked about how humiliating it would be if they did and decided they wouldn't, they would keep playing their game all the way till the end.

 

Germany didn't stop playing or let the foot off the gas.

Their initial quote was mis-interpreted by all when they said they didn't want to humiliate Brazil so they would stay focused and concentrate on the pitch since they didn't want anybody thinking they would be taking it easy on Brazil.

And right now on the Rio press conference they once again said they played all the way to the end.

 

according to them they were trying, so why is it that they could have ran the score higher if they didn't?

 

The thing is, what they say now and what they showed are two different shoes

 

They showed that even after Felipao made substitutions to fix their midfield and overloaded with another player they still got past it. If the case were they weren't trying don't you think they would pass the ball back a whole lot more?

What they showed in the field was them trying and still scoring 2 more goals, and what they said was that they wouldn't stop, because it is utterly humiliating to be losing and have the opposition toy with you or take the foot off the gas and take it easy on you.

 

Germany didnt press Brazil at all in the 2nd half.

They mostly passed the ball around trying to play the clock down and avoid getting injured. The goals basically fell after they had played three or four easy passes upfront. The buildup to the 6-0 tap-in happened in slowmotion and the 7-0 was a Sonntagsschuss that only goes in that way once in a career or so.

 

They scored off 2 presses... but they didn't press Brazil?

 

Quoting full time stats on a game that was 5-0 before the half hour is pretty meaningless. There was no normal game after that to compare the teams. Brasil came out with the wrong approach, got torched a few times, and then completely lost mental strength for ten minutes. Everything that happened after that was really outside of a typical game, and therefore can't be compared to typical stats. Over 2/3 of the game was played with that scoreline (and worse), so clearly Germany will not be playing at full power. Not that they stopped playing, but certainly there would be no urgency at all to press, challenge, and play hard, especially with a final still to play in a few days.

 

No they didnt. They had two walks upfront. Germany did press in the first 30 mins of the game. But not in the 2nd half. Do you know what is pressing or gegenpressing? Google is your friend. That or try asking Jürgen Klopp or Diego Simeone.

 

Let's review here - Let's see how many goals came out of pressing...

1st goal - Mistake by David Luiz marking absolutely nobody after a corner given up because Dante didn't know how to cover the left side.
NO PRESSING

2nd goal - Fernandinho completely missed an interception which allowed Germany to walk into the Brazilian box, all he had to do was... stand still instead of attempting and that would have been solid defending. Marcelo and Maicon are the last players at the back because Dante and David Luiz did not move after pass went past them.
NO PRESSING

3rd goal - Germany playing from the left side, Hulk is marking the left side in front of Marcelo while Luiz and Fernandinho are following the ball, Lahm 1 touch cross, Luiz Gustavo completely out of position marking nobody, Fernandinho out of position marking nobody. David Luiz inside the GK box, Dante marking nobody, 2 players making runs in the middle, ball goes all the way across the box until is hit in
NO PRESSING

4th goal - Germany Presses, steals the ball from an unsuspecting Fernandinho Dante still not marking the only other player to be marked.
PRESSING

5th goal - Germany has the ball out in their field and Brazil decides to Press... David Luiz comes all the way to the midfield to try and cut off a German run that goes past Fred, Oscar, Luiz Gustavo and Fernandinho (with only Fred and Oscar actually trying to contain the run) the ball is passed ahead and now it's a 3 on 3 where Dante once again is all over the place.
NO PRESSING

6th goal - Passing from the left side, once again in the middle you have Dante and D.Luiz playing INSIDE the GK box, the pass is made in between and both didn't move from their position since the ball was played wide, Dante didn't go pickup his man in the box which gave the free pass since Luiz Gustavo had to leave his man (who ended up scoring) to pickup Dante.
NO PRESSING

7th goal - counter attack on the right side Dante being useless and an amazing shot
NO PRESSING

Brazil's goal - Long ball in between the defenders (Germany's weakness) and a goal, Neur bitches about that ball once again happening on his defense.

You're right they didn't press on the second half.. but the reality is.. they didn't press AT ALL...

Once Brazil came back to the second half and fixed their midfield they created chance after chance, while getting scored on a counter and on a passing play with a defensive mistake from Dante

this game gets replayed, and Brazil has T.Silva and Paulinho from the start, the scoreline would never have reflected the 7 x 1, that was a freak result.

all of the goals Brazil took from the easy passing game you can find a clueless Dante standing around, and guarantee all Bayern supporters here will say that Dante does have a tendency to look.. well clueless.

 

you should ask them the same, because Germany didn't press.

 

Hmmmmmmm they didnt press. I wonder why Khedira and Kroos were playing 20m further up front. I wonder why David Luiz was firing one long ball after another. I wonder why Brazil were making 21 mistakes at every single goal. Dude, watch the game again before you post.

 

Heat Map against the US
http://resources.fifa.com/mm/docume...2/38/69/07/45_0626_usa-ger_playersheatmap.pdf
Heat Map against Portugal
http://resources.fifa.com/mm/docume...ng_13_0616_ger-por_playersheatmap_neutral.pdf
Heat Map against Ghana
http://resources.fifa.com/mm/docume...2/38/04/83/29_0621_ger-gha_playersheatmap.pdf
Heat Map against Algeria
http://resources.fifa.com/mm/docume...2/39/15/99/54_0630_ger-alg_playersheatmap.pdf
Heat Map against France
http://resources.fifa.com/mm/docume...2/39/91/91/58_0704_fra-ger_playersheatmap.pdf
Heat Map against Brazil
http://resources.fifa.com/mm/docume...2/40/20/22/61_0708_bra-ger_playersheatmap.pdf

Want to make more shit up while you're at it? That one was WAY to easy to disprove! 20m further up the field... riiiiiiiiiight...

David Luiz firing balls up the pitch - if you saw any of Brazil's previous game you would already know that's the only play on their play book, back up the other team and then fire long balls to Neymar and Hulk.

I've already gave you a step by step analysis of the goals Brazil took in, yes they were mistakes, and only 1 of them had to do with turning over the ball at a bad position (Fernandinho) the rest it was bad man marking by Brazil, hardly the effects of pressing...

 

When I said 20m further upfront I meant compared to the rest of the game. Thats what we were talking about dude. What's the sense in making more km if you lead 5:0 and the opponent is no danger. Apart from that we both seem to have different definitions of pressing. You seem to think pressing is uncoordinated Braziil-like running at the opponent at their box. I dont share that view. Think of the first 10-15 into the game. Had Brazil one chance? Did they have space to create any chances? I can only remember one half chance where Hulk was through on the left and one Marcelo flop in the box. There were pressing traps everyhwere in Brazil's CM and I dont know how often Brazil lost the ball(most namely Marcelo) allowing Germany to counter in oceans of space most of which resulted in goals. Pressing is how the players are positioned, how they move to the ball and how much they invest in running/duels etc for that. Khedira constantly pressed Luiz Gustavo and Dante. Now fast forward to the beginning 2nd half: Germany gave up this type of midfield pressing falling back to their own box only defending this area. And suddenly Khedira wasnt in the space between Gustavo and Dante anymore. Why? For saving energy. There is another game on Sunday. Brazil started having chances. Cause Germany allowed them to do so.

 

The German team did not agree to not score any more goals but rather to stay professional and not humiliate Brazil by teasing them, doing unnecessary tricks or laughing etc. it's a bit silly of Hummels though to make that public as it kind of defeats the purpose.
Personally I imagine that professional footballers would be more infuriated by the opposition patronizing them ('we don't score anymore goals'). In the Euro 2012 final Spain were leading 4-0 when the referee announced four additional minutes of injury time. Iker Casillas urged the referee to not play the injury time in order to end the Italians suffering, an act that most footballers later considered to be extremely condescending and patronizing.

I think it was no coincidence that Schuerrle scored the second half goals, he's a sub who has a point to prove as he wants to be a starter in the final. He did what he did mainly to show the coach what he can do.

 

the entire hummels story is made up. Muller already denied any of this talk.
Can we move on to more important topic now?

lets discuses religion.

 

There is only one religion: futbol.
End of discussion.

 

Dante indeed looked out of place but I wouldn't hold him up as the main culprit. Marcello time and time again abandoned the left side and allowed Lahm and Mueller to run riot. Marcello was to blame for the corner that led to the first goal ( he even apologised to his teammates ). Look at Marcello during goal 6, he does nothing at all, he just stands there while the attack comes through his side. Germany played two crosses in in the same attack and Marcello does nothing whatsoever to cover. He just stands there. Or look at David Luiz' heatmap, it's the heatmap of a midfield player and not of a CB. The absence of Silva can't be an excuse, after all Algeria, France or USA don't have a Thiago Silva either.
You're right of course in saying that the seven goals would likely not occur again if the two teams played each other a second time, even with the same lineup. But it's too simple to just declare this match a freak and move on as if nothing happened.