2014 FIFA World Cup™ Semi-Finals: Germany vs Brazil| Tuesday, Jul 8, 3:00 PM

Discussion in 'World Cup 2014 - Knockout Rounds' started by soccerfan93, Jul 4, 2014.

  1. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    Except maybe for Coutinho and definitely Lucas Moura this is kinda their best.
    I personaly like Firminho just like plenty Brazilian supporters but even they acknowledged it was hard to get a place
    Maybe Scolari has gotten tactics wrong maybe he made a mistake or 10 when it comes to the first team but the players (23) selected themselves. Sure we like to kid around and make fun of Fred but he kinda is the best CF they had and he was decent at the Confedderations Cup which BTW should be known as kiss of death cup
     
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  2. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    I was in Berlin, and the people that knew me were awesome, the ones that didn't would cross the street before talking to me.
     
  3. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Yup, that's northern Germany. This is us...Bavarians are friendly.

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  4. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    I abandoned a while ago and have put a lot of trolls on ignore
    I never went to the Oktoberfest =( was too busy with the northerners but busy in a good way! I need to go back and do what Germany did to Brazil in Germany, you know as a fun vengeance type of thing ;)
     
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  5. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    Are you and @Fernando_Bayern_BR friends? He wants to go to Germany as well!

    LMAO!
     
  6. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
    Don't drink beer but like cheese
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just read this today...
    http://america.aljazeera.com/blogs/...ld-cupdebaclelaysbarethemythsofitssoccer.html

    This kinds of delves into politics a bit, but a couple of interesting points are brought up:

    The coach, the team, the crowd and the Brazilian media and public have all played their parts. Scolari has picked a team and mandated a style of play that has made the paucity of talent and invention, let alone fantasy and creativity in Brazilian football, transparent. After all, this is the man that pioneered futebol força with his incredibly cynical and ugly Grêmio and Palmeiras teams of the 1990s. The sliver of elan that Neymar’s talent offered the team was taken away as a direct consequence of this kind of roughhouse tactics. Someone was going to get injured in Brazil’s appalling game with Colombia; it just turned out to be Neymar.

    This is correct, as it has been mentioned in this and other threads about the Brasil WC team. Were these the best players Brasil has to offer? Probably, but were they also the best one to fit Scolari's tactics? Apparently not. And the worst result of that is not just the semi-final defeat, but the loss of Neymar for an extended period. The beauty of Brasilian futbol was apparent only in Neymar, and the results really should be unsurprising.


    After the 1998 World Cup final, when France swept aside Brazil and the catatonic Ronaldo, there was eventually sufficient political pressure to force the creation of congressional inquiries into the CBF (the Brazilian football federation) and its relationship with Nike, as well as the wider pathologies of the Brazilian game. Those reports, long moldering on the ministry of sports website revealed that Brazilian football is, despite very stiff global competition, amongst the most dysfunctional, badly organized and corrupt system around. More than that, both reports, published in 2001, recommended the criminal investigation and prosecution of a large swathe of Brazil’s football establishment. Brazil’s victory in the World Cup in 2002 ensured that not a single investigation or prosecution would be pursued.

    The CBF must be partly to blame for this failure. The corruption that goes on within has not allowed for unbiased thought or decisions (or at least, less biased). Would Scolari have been picked if the corruption had not existed? Perhaps. With this ouster, perhaps it will cause those previous reports to be more strongly pursued. And perhaps, the imagination of Brasilan futbol will reappear.
     
  7. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Brazil’s victory in the World Cup in 2002 ensured that not a single investigation or prosecution would be pursued.

    THIS!!!!

    Brazil is result driven, looking for blame when we lose and when we win there's nothing wrong with us.
     
  8. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
    Don't drink beer but like cheese
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Left this part out...

    Germany would have beaten Brazil 1970 and run them into the ground, let alone Brazil 2014. This is surely the utterly impossible, the inexpressibly fantastic. But it has happened. This is the beautiful game and it is made in Germany.

    Had this been Brasil defeating Germany 7-1, plaudits would have been going to Brasil for their mastery and perfection, not the failure of the team. Because the myth is that Brasil is imaginative and Germany is technical, machine-like. But that is not the case, as even in 2010, Germany had some players with flair.
     
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  9. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    The part of the myth is kind of silly, We haven't had that type of football since 1986 and our league champions have been defensive sides since 2010.

    It's like people that still say the Dutch play total football... it's been over 30 years you know!

    Also the running Brazil 1970 into the ground.. that's just for reading pleasure, they lose to Argentina and they are the chokers of the world yet again.
     
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  10. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
    Don't drink beer but like cheese
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even in 1994, I remember thinking how harsh their style was compared to what was expected.

    Yeah, I agree, a direct comparison is off. But I think the author was talking about how dominating Germany was versus Brasil. But, yes, if they lose to Argentina, oh was a calamity.
     
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  11. blue3d

    blue3d Member

    Jul 2, 2004
    USA
    I still don't think the 2 teams are that far apart. If they played the best of 3 games, I wonder how it would go. I personally believe the result had a lot to do with luck. If you look at the statistics or watch the replay of the entire game it showed something different: Total Shots: Brazil 18, Germany 14, Shots on Goal: Brazil 13 Germany 12, Fouls Brazil 11 Germany 14, Possession Brazil 51% Germany 49%, Corners Brazil 7 Germany 5. On paper, to this point, Brazil looks like the winner. At least they are equal. So why the crazy score? Saves: Brazil 5 Germany 12. Watching the game, all of the shots on goal by Brazil were blocked or right into the keeper's hands. The German goals seemed to be all quick shots...1 touch knock ins that were hard to defend. Either the keeper was lined up with them or not. For the Brazilians, they had poor luck and all of their shots on goal didn't go in. I don't think this is Scolari's fault. I like him as a manager. I don't think this Brazilian squad is as good as others in the past. Yes, I think Germany is better, just not as much as the score showed. Luck has had a lot to do with many of the games. (ball hits the post, etc.).
     
  12. puyol

    puyol Member+

    FC Barcelona
    Dec 24, 2009
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  13. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
    Don't drink beer but like cheese
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Execution was the difference. So was effectiveness. Together, they create luck, or favorable ball bounces.
     
  14. jerrito

    jerrito Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    America
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    They took advantage of every space left by Brazil and there were many, many spaces. When they were required to they finished in clinical fashion. The first order for Argentina must be to find a way to keep the Germans from finding so much room to maneuver. They were even passing it around in the Brazilian area.

    In my opinion as bad as Brazil were in that match, the only team who could have taken advantage to such a shocking level was Germany.
     
  15. puyol

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    Dec 24, 2009
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  16. soccernutter

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    Aug 22, 2001
    Don't drink beer but like cheese
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. Galo Vingador

    Galo Vingador Member

    Jan 4, 2010
    Belo Horizonte
    Club:
    Atletico Belo Horizonte
    As I said in another forum, Brazil getting thrashed 5-0 or 6-0 by the dutch would actually be a GOOD thing.
    Scolari is spreading his ridiculous theory about how the whole result was a "fluke" caused by a "6-minute-blackout" and that this was a "brilliant World Cup for Brazil" without any mistakes being made.

    We need to get beaten HARD in order to come out of the tournament in shambles and expose how bad the team really is and how lame was the whole preparation (Brazil hardly trained anything).

    If we want to get rid of Scolari, Parreira and the other dinosaurs and have a real shot about changing the state of football in Brazil (enough of the pragmatic thing already - and CBF, I'm looking at you), we need to get owned. Considering the 3rd-place match means nothing, this is the time!
     
  18. puyol

    puyol Member+

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    Dec 24, 2009
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  19. DoyleG

    DoyleG Moderator
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    FC Edmonton
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    Winnipeg, MB
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
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  20. DoyleG

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    FC Edmonton
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    Winnipeg, MB
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  21. F4Ilcon

    F4Ilcon Member

    May 20, 2014
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Brazil was under huge pressure to win the Cup, they didn't play well well any game besides maybe Columbia first period.

    For national team that had amazing strikers like R9, Ronaldinho/Romario/Bebeto, Muller and Careca, you can't get much out players like Hulk/Fred/Jo...

    Sadly Today we have no such players to Help Neymar on the field,
     
  22. Wolfie65

    Wolfie65 Member

    Jun 16, 2010
    Albuquerque, NM
    The final stat lines of this match are very deceiving, because Löw effectively called off the dogs - who hadn't even broken a sweat - after about 35 minutes.
    Germany have no reason whatsoever to 'hate' Brazil, there aren't any direct rivalries, therefore no need to run up the score to prove a point, but if they make it this easy........
    If he hadn't told his boys to relax and let enough be enough, this could have gone into double digits.
    Julio Cesar might have walked off at some point, crying, leaving his guys to position themselves in front of the goal, trying to block a German fusillade of never before seen proportions.
    Personally, I think the second goal was already the fatal blow, based on the facial expressions and body language of the Brazilian players.
     
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  23. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Actually the Germans were very clear when they said we would not humiliate Brazil wouldn't stop playing so they could have their dignity... They played till the end, hence Neur going ape shit on their defense when they made a mistake that cost them a goal.

    But it's ok we can pretend that didn't happen, and we can make up what we think they said instead of what they themselves said.

    Germans are very different than Americans, we think running up the score is unsportsmanlike, they think giving up and just not playing is more humiliating.
     
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  24. Dage

    Dage Moderator
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    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    According to Hummels Löw has told the team during the break to not run the score. Well I guess if Schürrle just stops shooting on the goal that would've been even more embarassing. They didn't really try to score after the break though. To concede a goal in the last minute is a different story.
     
  25. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    their actual quote is..

    "We just made it clear that we had to stay focused and not try to humiliate them. We said we had to stay serious and concentrate at halftime. That's something you don't have to show on the pitch you are playing."

    That sounds like we will take them serious all the way till the end and will not humiliate them by not doing so. Anybody that has played sports here knows that there is nothing worse and more humiliating than an opponent beating on you and they stop playing. That is the most humiliating thing there is...
     

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