2014 attendance discussion

Discussion in 'NWSL' started by Blaze20, Apr 10, 2014.

  1. mariarfrts

    mariarfrts Member

    Oct 6, 2009
    WA State
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Interesting... one would think their numbers would be higher. Anyone have figures on Australia W-League and Japan Nadeshiko League?
     
  2. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    You can see some attendances, though sadly not all, for the W-League's previous season here. The final drew 2.5k and a round 7 game drew 2k, but aside from those two almost everything else was under 1k, and the three or so above 1k were just barely above.
    I can't find attendance numbers for the L. League easily, but considering I've never seen attendance discussed at all in the L. League/Nadeshiko thread, I'm guessing it's probably fairly low as well.
     
  3. kernel_thai

    kernel_thai Member+

    Oct 24, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Just a note...someone inquired why the WSL wasnt on the list a posted...apparently they only had one match scheduled for last weekend (451).
     
  4. mariarfrts

    mariarfrts Member

    Oct 6, 2009
    WA State
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Thank you, seeing Europe's numbers made me curious about them.
    I see; can't do average on one game, do you have a number for that one game?
     
  5. kernel_thai

    kernel_thai Member+

    Oct 24, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    481
     
  6. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
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  7. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    Awww. Thank you! :thumbsup:
     
  8. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You coulda just asked. :)

    League..Day....Date......Game..............................Crowd
    WUSA....SAT..4/14/2001...Bay Area at Washington............34,148
    WUSA....SAT..6/30/2001...Carolina at Washington............30,271
    WUSA....SAT..7/27/2002...San Diego at Washington...........24,240
    WUSA....SAT..7/19/2003...New York at Washington............21,892
    WUSA....SAT..5/17/2003...Carolina at Washington............21,859
    WUSA....SAT..5/12/2001...Boston at Washington..............21,682
    WUSA....SAT..6/01/2002...Washington at Boston..............21,539
    WUSA....SAT..4/21/2001...New York at Atlanta...............20,170
    WUSA....SAT..5/18/2002...Carolina at Washington............20,105
    WUSA....SAT..6/09/2001...Washington at Atlanta.............19,133
    NWSL....SUN..8/03/2014...Houston Dash at Portland..........19,123
    WUSA....SAT..7/07/2001...Washington at Atlanta.............18,887
    NWSL....SUN..8/04/2013...Kansas City at Portland...........17,619
    NWSL....SUN..8/17/2014...Seattle at Portland...............17,109
    WUSA....SAT..4/19/2003...Washington at San Jose............17,032
    NWSL....SUN..4/21/2013...Seattle at Portland...............16,479
    WUSA....SUN..7/22/2001...Washington at Bay Area............16,174
    WPS.....SAT..5/23/2009...Sky Blue at Washington............16,089
    NWSL....SAT..4/19/2014...Western New York at Chicago.......15,743
    WPS.....WED..7/20/2011...magicJack at Western New York.....15,404


    What I need are WUSA scores so I can complete the set by finishing this page so it's like this one and this one with links to all-time scores.
     
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  9. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I did ask! ;)
     
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  10. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, sorry, missed it. :)
     
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  11. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    #661 holden, Sep 20, 2014
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2014
  12. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Yeah that's the site I used to update the Wiki page.
    Best thing for 2003 is to use the WayBack Machine. For example:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20031008233520/http://www.wusa.com/schedule_results/full_schedule/ (@kenntomasch )
    Sadly, you can't read some of the boxscores since the machine apparently never archived them, but most boxscores and all the scores themselves are on that archived WUSA page.
     
  13. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well done, many thanks.
     
  14. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    So I just realized that my list on Wiki is missing the 8/17/14 SEA@POR game (and several other 2014 @POR games above 14k - I think I'm going to re-raise the cutoff on Wiki to 15k, sorry LA) and 4/19/03 WAS@SJ, and Kenn's list is missing the 8/25/01 ATLvsBAY WUSA final and the 8/24/02 WASvsCAR WUSA final.
     
  15. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, mine is only regular season games, so that's a good point.
     
  16. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    Would it be possible to put an asterisk or some other notation next to the games that were doubleheaders?
     
  17. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    If I knew which WUSA games were double-headers or not, then yes I would.

    Also: I just made a "records and statistics" page for WUSA (still WIP since I still need to add cumulative reg. season and playoff records). Imagine my (lack of) surprise to find out that the New York Power owned the lowest attendance figures each year.
     
  18. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    (All with the local MLS team unless noted.)

    5/12/2001 Boston at Washington
    6/30/2001 Carolina at Washington
    7/27/2002 San Diego at Washington
    5/18/2002 Carolina at Washington
    6/01/2002 Washington at Boston
    4/19/2003 Washington at San Jose
    4/26/2003 Atlanta at Washington (USWNT)
    5/03/2003 San Diego at Boston
    5/17/2003 Carolina at Washington
    7/19/2003 New York at Washington
     
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  19. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  20. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You've done really great work.

    It still would be nice to be able to separate out joint games with MLS teams and the USWNT. Notwithstanding some protests about suggestions that the joint Chicago Fire/Red Stars game was artificially skewing the Red Stars' attendance numbers this year, it really is not possible to compare the different women's leagues' attendance without taking the joint games out of the data base. Only without the joint games can we really gauge the popularity of women's soccer standing on its own.

    Anyone want to tackle separating out the joint games?
     
  21. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    #671 SiberianThunderT, Sep 22, 2014
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2014
    Point of order:
    The argument earlier was not contesting whether the game was skewing the numbers, but whether to count that attendance as real - it being atypical was a given. Whatever it did to the statistics, those were paying customers that CRS saw at least some of their ticket prices. And the same argument holds for the WPS and WUSA double-headers, too.

    And to answer your question: taking out the double-headers will not A) change the overall averages for the league much, considering how relatively rare double-headers are among all data, and B) will actually introduce an artifact for the WUSA Freedom considering they had a not-insignificant percentage of their games as doubleheaders.
     
  22. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    That's what I'd like to do, but I can't find the attendance numbers for all the individual matches. I asked kenntomasch if he had them, but he didn't get back to me.
     
  23. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    *sighs* I tell you, it's not a big change. And there's a REALLY quick way to do it.

    WUSA totals: 1,826k / 252g = 7,246avg
    WUSA doubles: ~210k / 10g
    WUSA recalc: ~1,616 / 242g = 6,678avg

    WPS totals: 837k / 213g = 3,930avg
    WPS double: 16k / 1g
    WPS recalc: 821k / 212g = 3,873avg

    NWSL totals: 821k / 196g = 4,189avg
    NWSL double: 15k / 1g
    NWSL recalc: 806k / 195g = 4,133avg

    The doubleheaders are lost in the noise. No reason to discount them in this analysis, the comparison between the leagues does not benefit or suffer either way.
     
  24. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    How do you get those figures?
     
  25. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    ....really??

    The "totals" are easily taken just from Kenn's site.
    The double-headers for WUSA have been discussed in the thread ad nauseum before, it's a quick addition. (The lowest two of the ten actually weren't above 15k and thus haven't been mentioned, but I was being generous and just gave them ~15k each. They're truthfully lower and thus affect WUSA's recalc average even less than what I showed.)
    The double-headers for WPS and NWSL are the only two double-headers either of those leagues had, unless there's an LA Sol double-header or two I've forgotten. (And even if I had, WPS's numbers are already below those of NWSL, so it doesn't matter.)
    Simple math after that.
     

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