2013 World Baseball Classic (now with qualifying matches and the British!)

Discussion in 'Baseball' started by Flyin Ryan, Mar 30, 2012.

  1. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dickey is not looking like he's got any mid-season rhythm. It's quite embarrassing, actually, so far against a team who just lost to Italy. I think the best the US can hope for is to get Gallardo's pitching count up so they can get to their bullpen.
     
  2. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They should send Jonathan Bornstein out there. He'd do a better job. ;)
     
  3. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't think of any other explanation for the US consistently sucking at this tournament other than they don't take it seriously enough. Mark Teixeira called it an exhibition series and really that's the only way I can think to explain why this team consistently can't compete with the rest of the world, despite their MLB individual records. I don't know how else to explain why they consistently struggle.
     
  4. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Italians are probably the best European nation for baseball. That's if we only count the Dutch players from the continent. Italy is doing quick well developing the game.
     
  5. EPJr

    EPJr Member+

    Los Angeles FC
    United States
    Mar 21, 2009
    Richmond VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    UGLINESS
    bench clearing brawl between Canada and Mexixo with debrie being thrown from the stands
    games on the MLB Network
     
  6. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's really sad American players think this way. I guess we know why Texeira suddenly got "injured."
     
  7. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Member

    May 13, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Awesome brawl between Canada and Mexico!

    Here's a video, watch before MLB pulls it down:

    U.S. should beat Italy tonight (they slotted their #3 starter into the game, figuring they should put their better ones vs. Mexico and Canada, the Italian starting pitcher pitched in the Italian Baseball League last year). The American starter is Vogelsong. So if that happens, the pool looks like this:

    Italy 2-1
    U.S. 1-1
    Canada 1-1
    Mexico 1-2

    And then it's pretty straightforward that the winner of U.S. and Canada tomorrow advances to the next round along with Italy.

    The winner of tomorrow's Japan/Netherlands game will advance to the Final 4. The loser will face Cuba who demolished Taiwan 14-0 in 7 innings earlier today to determine the 2nd team to advance to the Final 4.

    In the San Juan pool, the Dominican beat Spain earlier 6-3. Puerto Rico and Venezuela are playing now. If Puerto Rico wins, them and the Dominican will advance at 2-0 and Venezuela (a pre-tournament favorite) along with Spain will be out before their 3rd game at 0-2.
     
  8. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
    Club:
    FC Vaduz
  9. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Member

    May 13, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    if you're going to remove the Arubans and Curacaoans from the Dutch roster, you should be fair and also remove the Americans from the Italian roster
     
  10. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
    Club:
    FC Vaduz
    You know what would be hilarious: If the US team finishes 4th, they have to go through qualifying just to get into the 2017 tournament. I'm sure that ol' Bud will figure out a way to weasel out of it, but it would be hilarious, nonetheless!
     
  12. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Then they'll lose to Great Britain, just for some cosmic irony.
     
  13. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Member

    May 13, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    6-2 for the U.S. now. David Wright with a grand slam.
     
  14. El Chuma

    El Chuma BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 17, 2005
    San Diego
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow this series is entertaining...I do not normally watch baseball.
     
  15. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Member

    May 13, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Real Corona repped this.
  16. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Canada-Mexico brawl was the most hardcore fight I've ever seen at a baseball game. That one Canadian player nearly knocked a couple Mexican guys out cold. Probably not a good idea to fight a bunch of hockey players.
     
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  17. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Member

    May 13, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    here's a video from ESPN showing more detail on who gets hit and who is punching: http://espn.go.com/mlb/worldclassic2013/story/_/id/9035253/canada-mexico-brawl-breaks-wbc-game

    question asked to Canadian manager Ernie Whitt post-game: "were any of your players hurt in the brawl?"

    Whitt: "you can't hurt us Canadians" :)


    After letting up a run in both the 1st and 2nd, Vogelsong settles down and him and the two American relievers retire 22 of the last 25 batters they face combined. Detwiler finishes the game for the U.S. throwing 4 innings and letting up only one hit. Game ends 6-2 a U.S. win. They play Canada tomorrow where the winner moves on to the next round, 4pm start time.
     
  18. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
    Club:
    FC Vaduz
    Here's the scenarios for today...

    Venezuela vs Spain
    The winner will automatically qualify for the 2017 WBC. The loser will be forced to qualify in the qualifying rounds.

    Dominican Republic vs Puerto Rico
    The winner will face either Canada or Italy. The loser will face either the US or Italy.

    United States vs Canada
    If the US wins, they will place first, and play the loser of today's DR/PR game. Italy will finish second and they play the winner of DR/PR. Canada will finish 3rd, and will automatically qualify for the 2017 WBC. Mexico will be forced to qualify in the qualifying rounds.
    If Canada wins, Italy will win the group, and play the loser of DR/PR. Canada will play the winner of DR/PR. Mexico will finish 3rd and automatically qualify for the 2017 WBC. The US will finish 4th and be forced to qualify in the qualifying rounds of the 2017 WBC.

    There is a LOT on the line for the US in this game. Either they take this competition seriously or they don't. If they don't, this will be a serious black eye for US baseball. I was hoping that they would actually give a damn about this competition. Hopefully, they can prove me wrong today, and give everything they have for this tournament.
     
  19. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I am kind of hopping for a Canada win to perhaps shame the USA and the American players into taking this seriously in 4 years.
     
  20. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shame won't work with US players. USA Baseball is like USA Basketball pre-2004 Olympics.

    USA Baseball thinks it's superior and then is shocked when it loses.

    If the USA loses today, they have no one to blame but themselves for their total lack of respect for this tournament and blatant lack of preparation for their opponents.

    I mean, come on, the US puts a team together a week before the tournament starts and wonders why they're playing poorly? That's not gonna work in international play.
     
  21. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that is what Ceezmad is saying. He's hoping for our Athens moment where the team bombs out and we have to rethink and remake the entire program.
     
  22. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Member

    May 13, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    9-4 win for the U.S. but if you didn't watch the game, it was tight up until the top of the 9th. The U.S. was down 3-2 going into the 8th. Both sides of that 8th inning were nervy and something to watch.

    The U.S. even win the pool. They'll play the loser of tonight's Dominican Republic-Puerto Rico game in Miami Tuesday night.

    The two issues going forward for the U.S.:

    Prior to the offensive explosion at the end of the game, the U.S. was hitting .152 with guys in scoring position. They finish the first round at .237.

    Second, they've gone down early in all 3 games, here's the cumulative scoreline from them:

    Team 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
    Opp 3 3 2 0 1 1 0 1 0 11
    USA 0 0 0 4 5 0 0 4 4 17

    Once we do get down, usually with our starters, our bullpen is doing awesome, they've only let up 3 runs.
     
  23. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe Joe Torre is channeling his inner Bob Bradley. :ROFLMAO:
     
  24. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Member

    May 13, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Morneau, Saunders, and the catcher Robinson, batters 4 through 6 in the Canadian lineup, hit a combined 20-of-31 (.645) in their 3 games. The rest of the team hit 11-of-71 (.155).
     
  25. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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