2012-2013 Tourneys

Rothman's Medal will be back.... for those who are new, for those who have forgotten, for those who did't care before but have had their interest rekindled and for those who have simply could not give a stuff... here is the Concept and how it works.... copied and pasted from the Initial Setup a couple of years back....

The Rothmans Medal will be awarded to the manager whose starting 11 acquires the most Bonus points throughout the entire season. It is only based on your starting 11 each week and there are no double ups for captains.

A bit of history for you non-aussies...... the Rothmans medal was awarded back when all sports were cool in the 70's and 80's to the best and fairest player in the National Rugby League Competition. It was voted on by referress on a 3,2,1 points system for each game and player who polled the most points for the season got the medal. It was abondoned in 1997 when tobacco companies stopped being allowed to sponsor sporting events etc.

As per the trend, there is a google docs link which I will set up after GW1 is finished. Every week I will post a Top 10 on Big Soccer (and you will need about 25 minutes to read it)..where I basicically mock and/or praise(mostly mock) your team... but it is all in good fun so hopefully no one takes offence. There will be a few Personal Jokes in there for the Aussies in the bunch, but I am all about amusing myself so they will be staying..explanations available but really not worth it

3 more sleeps !!!

 

I am thinking of running my first tournament. Based on some annoyance with my draft spot (again ) and given last season's results that saw RVP-owning teams largely dominate, I thought it might be interesting to do a head to head tournament with points given based on the draft spot of your weekly opposition. I know one of the cups used draft spot last season but not in this format. The values aren't final but I was thinking something like this:

1. 8x
2. 7x
3. 6x
4. 5x
5. 4x
6. 3x
7. 2x
8. 1x

I'd use those values times the normal 3pt win, 1 draw, 0 loss to get a weekly score for every team. So say you are the eight place team facing the team that went first in the draft, you'd get 24pt for beating the 1st, 8 draw, 0 loss while they'd get the normal 3,1,0pts. That spread is probably too large. Not sure yet if I want each division to get its own tournament or have all 32 compete with each other. I might combine the two forms with perhaps group play within your division leading to the top 4 advancing to a Round of 16 straight knockout tournament. That could work with 32 weeks of group play and then a 4 round tournament. The extra weeks would allow us to have the final on GW37 and avoid game weeks with less than 8 games.

Thoughts? Anyone with better value for each draft spot?

 

My second idea was a season long all rock table with a twist. Every time you make more than your allowed one or two free transfers and fail to use a wildcard, you lose all points for that week. Instead of rewarding teams for making numerous changes to score better in a particular week like many tournaments, this one would favor teams that draft better, stick to their allowed transfers budget, and wise use of wildcards. My problem with one is the data collection. Is there an easy way to quickly see who exceeded their allowed transfers each GW?

 

Sounds good, but as you say logistically would be onerous. My early prediction for this this Comp. 1st place- Rockville Gunners . 32nd place - BiggerBoat

 

assuming it hasn't been changed this season, the gameweek history page for each team shows the weekly scores and has a column where it shows points deducted each week -- 0, 4, 8, etc. if it isn't 0, then the team made excess transfers that week. you'd have to go to the history page for each Rocks team each time you wanted to update the scoring, but it might not be that time consuming to do the actual scoring if you can copy and paste from the history page to a spreadsheet without any formatting issues. you could then even set up a if/then formula that looks at whether the each week's deduction = zero and have the scoring done automatically. the only question would be how regularly you would want to do the copy and paste for each team (perhaps only once every month or two). we can't work on it until they've done the first week so that we can see how the columns work on the cut and paste, but i'm happy to help you get it set up if you want.

"0" points for the week is a pretty harsh penalty, but i take it that's your point. if i'm right that the scoring can be done with a formula, you could, if you wanted, set it at a reduction of 10%, 25%, 50%, etc. to make it a little softer on those of us who can't resist the transfer button....

ps - very clever to create a tournament that is perfectly suited to your managerial tactics.

 

I'm for anything (this year) that gives an advantage to the team drafting 8th.

Philosophically, I think this multiplier dramatically overstates the difference between the draft positions. As a practical matter, the 100.0 price cap balances things out somewhat for the teams at the wrong end of the start, with the real cause of the skewing coming from the captaincy rule that gives a huge edge to the 1 or 2 teams that get each year's mega-star. If you draft early and miss (whether due to bad decision-making, post-draft transfers, or injury (or perhaps all three this season for the RVP owners... ...)), you typically end up worse off than those who draft later. Bottom line, I think the 1 to 8 is far too dramatic and would suggest something like breaking the draft order into 2 or 3 tiers and using 1 or 2, or 1, 2, and 3, with the 1s for the first 3-4 picks and so on. Even then, you'll have a lot of individual tracking work to do to keep on top of this, so good luck if you take it on in any format.

While I'm warning about how complicated the above may be, if you're not afraid of complicated, I would consider something that based the multiple on the actual performance of the first round pick. I don't know how many first round draft picks we ended up with across the 4 leagues (I'd guess 10-12 without looking), but then set it each gameweek so that the team that has the then-highest 1st round pick is at 10x and then work down from there. you could just rank the other teams or you could use a percentage (i.e., if Rooney is the top point scored at the end of week 13 with 100 points, you would get 30 points (10x3) for beating a Rooney team but would only get 25.5 points (8.5x3) for beating a team whose first round pick had 85 total points and only 3 points (1x3) for beating the team whose first round pick got injured in week 3 and was stuck on 10 points). the universe of 1st round picks is defined, but you'd have to track those 10-12 players throughout the season. conceptually, the scoring wouldn't be based on what draft position you started in, but would instead be based on the performance of your first round pick -- even if you end up letting him go....

 

I like both of these posts, blech. I'll work on it tomorrow after my wife heads out of town on business. Plenty of time then figure out exactly how to set these up.

Agreed that draft spot isn't really clear cut. I've lost top picks when picking early in the order to long injuries and struggled to overcome this setback. However, I'd still like to see how much draft position determines all things being equal. I agree the sample weights above are too large and did consider tiers so I'll take another look at that although your grand performance weighted system is not something I'd have the time to do unless I could automate it. Even then I'll have to look at the math since I sense there is something wrong about the way you set it up that I can't quite describe at the moment.

On your "ps" comment: of course the fact that I might do better on these tournaments than the more traditional ones wasn't coincidence. I've felt for awhile that too many of the cups reward tactics that run counter to those needed to move up the all rocks table over the course of the season with just a couple exceptions or they reward those who maximize things like bonus points which I consider a problem with FPL and thus not something that I'd want to reward even though I love reading the writeups here. If I could easily grab the data, I'd also like to see an All Rocks table that removed the extra points for captains. I know it is possible to design something to grab all that data since I've seen others use it on other websites but that is beyond my technical skills. The work needed to do it myself one click at a time is not something I'd probably keep up with over the long season. I might combine the no captain thing and lose points for excess transfers into one new table.