2011 Playoff format and seeding thread

Discussion in 'Sporting Kansas City' started by cjgwizard, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. cjgwizard

    cjgwizard Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    LSP, section 129
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They are cramping the playoffs into a tight frame. Conference semifinal second leg is 3 days before the conference final. Gives next to no time for teams to sell the game. Especially if you're like the 3rd seed and while you top the 2 seed the first gets upset by the 4, meaning you're hosting.
     
  3. Roush

    Roush Member

    Dec 19, 2001
    Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But they do recognize the FIFA date.......
     
  4. cjgwizard

    cjgwizard Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    LSP, section 129
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Currently sitting at 93% chance to make the playoffs according to one of my favorites - http://www.sportsclubstats.com/USA/MLS.html

    That's a hell of a lot better position at this point in the season than previous years. We just need to do our thing at home and we are golden.
     
  6. Abracadabra

    Abracadabra BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 11, 2006
    Olathe, Kansas
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    8 points from our last 9 games should do the trick.
     
  7. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Screw that. I want to win the East.
     
  8. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The main problem that I have with the playoff schedule is that the higher seed hosts the midweek conference semifinal leg, not the weekend match. This essentially penalizes the better team, or at least their fans who have kids in school (like me) and thus are reluctant to take them out to the stadium on a Wednesday or Thursday night. It almost makes me want SKC to finish 3rd in the Eastern Conference, which would guarantee a home game on Saturday 10/29 or Sunday 10/30.
     
  9. Abracadabra

    Abracadabra BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 11, 2006
    Olathe, Kansas
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A man after my own heart.
     
  10. glenthas

    glenthas Member

    Apr 3, 2009
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aren't you British? That was kind of your thing.
     
  11. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nope. No idea what you're talking about.
     
  12. BenC1357

    BenC1357 Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    KC
    Why do I find it funny that he thought you were British though???? :)
     
  13. glenthas

    glenthas Member

    Apr 3, 2009
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well damn. The imperialism joke doesn't really work if you aren't British. :(
     
  14. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    :shrug: ;)
     
  15. cjgwizard

    cjgwizard Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    LSP, section 129
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Found this in another thread--team schedules for those still in contention:


    SKC, 44 points, @SJE, NYR, @DCU

    HOU, 42 points, CHI, @POR, LAG

    COR, 42 points, FCD, RSL, @VAN

    CLB, 41 points, DCU, @NER, @CHI

    PHU, 40 points, DCU, @CHV, @SEA, TFC, @NYR

    NYR, 39 points, @TFC, LAG, @SKC, PHU

    -------------------------

    DCU, 38 points, @PHU, @CLB, @VAN, CHI, POR, SKC

    CHI, 36 points, @HOU, FCD, @DCU, CLB
     
  16. YilmazOrhan

    YilmazOrhan Well Brian, I hit it first time...

    Jun 18, 2006
    Suburbia, Kansas
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All these games between the contenders, plus DC's SIX freaking games in hand make it tough to do much in the way of meaningful analysis. I've posted a scenario that effectively qualifies us for the playoffs this weekend in another thread, but there's no way to project the East winner yet.

    FCD can also lock in a spot with a win or (I think) a draw this weekend, but beyond that I doubt we see anything but the final nails in the coffin for New England, Toronto, and potentially San Jose and Chivas.
     
  17. Felixx219

    Felixx219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 8, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully DC's schedule will result in some fatigue for those games and even the playoffs should they make it.
     
  18. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Percent chance of winning the east based on current standings:

    40.6% - Sporting Kansas City
    21.3% - Philadelphia Union
    19.9% - DC United
    08.9% - Houston Dynamo
    06.3% - New York Red Bulls
    02.8% - Columbus Crew
    00.3% - Chicago Fire
     
  19. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Percent chance of finishing in the top three in the Eastern Conference based on current standings (before PHL-DCU) and remaining matches:

    82.9% - Sporting Kansas City
    62.6% - Philadelphia Union
    52.1% - DC United
    46.9% - Houston Dynamo
    27.0% - New York Red Bulls
    24.0% - Columbus Crew
    04.5% - Chicago Fire

    Source: http://www.sportsclubstats.com/USA/MLS.html
     
  20. YilmazOrhan

    YilmazOrhan Well Brian, I hit it first time...

    Jun 18, 2006
    Suburbia, Kansas
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not 100% sure how his methodology works, but the guy at sportsclubstats.com says MLS has a couple of huge games this weekend:

    Chicago at Houston: Anything but a win here crushes the Fire, and a Houston win nearly locks up a spot for them.

    RBNY at TFC: A loss would be very, very bad for Red Bull.

    DC at Columbus: This is pivotal for the Crew. Even a draw drops their playoff chances below 50%

    Portland at Vancouver: Anything but the full three points knocks Portland's playoff chances below 10%.

    Interestingly, losing at San Jose tonight doesn't hurt our playoff chances very much. According to the model, anyway.

    http://www.sportsclubstats.com/USA/MLS.html
     
  21. Abracadabra

    Abracadabra BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 11, 2006
    Olathe, Kansas
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If CBus miss the playoffs, will we be talking about NY or Columbus as one of the worst collapses in league history? NY's was a long, slow fall from grace whereas Columbus stand to be very late and a near vertical drop, as if their bridge to the playoffs is out, as it were. We'll see what happens.

    As well it shouldn't - we should need no more than a couple of points to punch our playoff ticket, and depending on results, we may have already done so. At this point I'm concerned about seeding. If I were the cynical sort, I would be hoping that Philly finished first and let them deal with Dallas - if I were the cynical sort.
     
  22. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    New York for pure talent that they weren't able to make it if they don't.
     
  23. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Houston 1, Chicago 1. Very good early result for us.
     
  24. cjgwizard

    cjgwizard Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    LSP, section 129
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good result #2 would be a positive result for TFC. Go Canucks...
     
  25. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Ugh, Toronto just about had three points there but Henry pulls level in the 88th. We'll take it, though. Still a decent result for us.
     

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