2010 WPS Attendance Thread

Discussion in 'NWSL' started by kool-aide, Feb 10, 2010.

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What will be the 2010 average attendance?

  1. < 4,300

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  2. 4,500

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  3. 4,700

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  4. 5,000

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  5. 5,500

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  6. 6,000

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  7. > 6,500

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  1. SCCL

    SCCL Member

    Oct 31, 2001
    That's 2,415 brave souls for nearly 100 degree weather, sitting in the sun!

    My perspetive is that the weather has played a large role in the attendance figures thus far around the league. It seems if there weren't torrential downpours (actual or expected), then the weather was hotter than you-know-what. Granted there are other factors at play here, but I think this is part of it.
     
  2. Blaze20

    Blaze20 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Seattle Reign FC
    Sep 22, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Independence
    This is one brave soul who is still recovering from saturday and had to skip work today though it might be due in part to blowing that vuvuzela all game :p
     
  3. SCCL

    SCCL Member

    Oct 31, 2001
    Good for you!!! (I think!)
     
  4. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    I have been thinking of rounding up average temperatures for these games. Most of the stadiums offer no sun protection at all. At Freedom games, the side with fewer seats is relatively cool; the side with more seats is an aluminum roasting pan. The beer garden only holds so many people.

    It has to be a factor, no doubt.
     
  5. sjsocrfan

    sjsocrfan New Member

    Jul 30, 2009
    Club:
    FC Gold Pride
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You know, I have a really hard time understanding why the WPS teams are not doing better on attendance. For the Gold Pride, I put together a group of 50 people to go to one game and a group of almost 30 to another (a mixture of kids and their parents). They all had a great time and were appreciative of the great soccer. More than half of those people have now attended another Gold Pride game on their own (despite the fact that the crowd of 50 attended the afternoon game against the Sky Blue that (1) was excessively hot, and (2) the Gold Pride lost). It is really frustrating to see the Gold Pride doing so well, while the attendance numbers continue to be depressed.
     
  6. DemitriMaximoffX

    Aug 19, 2006
    3,339 in Atlanta which is the highest non-All-Star figure for a midweek match all season. Ticket prices were slashed which was a big help at the gate and the fans got a great match as well.
     
  7. crog1967

    crog1967 Member

    May 5, 2009
    Club:
    Atlanta Beat
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Beat also gave free extra tickets to season ticket holders tonight. We were able to bring several friends. They all enjoyed themselves and a couple of them are planning on buying tickets for future games.
     
  8. Mookie141

    Mookie141 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 10, 2008
    Mooktown
    Club:
    Sky Blue FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
  9. REALfootballRulez

    May 25, 2007
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It looks like they're padding MLS numbers with tickets sold as opposed to actual butts in the seats but the again they could be doing that with other leagues.

    WPS attendance is barely under a thousand below NASL for what it's worth!
     
  10. DemitriMaximoffX

    Aug 19, 2006
    The Magical Mystery Number of the Week from Philly was 2,053. That's the second lowest number in WPS history and the lowest number this season.
     
  11. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All leagues, NFL, NBA, EPL, La Liga, etc... use the tickets distributed model. It's an industry standard. No one reports actual butts in the seats, not even WPS.
     
  12. pasoccerdad

    pasoccerdad Member

    Mar 17, 2008
    KOP
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, The NY Giants do, because the entire stadium is sold out. might as well have said 80,242 at every game
    http://history.giants.com/page/Giants+Stadium+Stats

    I Know Philly WPS does not inflate it numbers because it has ticket packages that are good for multiple games, otherwize it could inflate the number
     
  13. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just because the Giants are reporting 80,242 doesn't mean that 80,242 people are in the stadium ;)

    As for Philly WPS, what does having multiple game packages have to do with inflating numbers?
     
  14. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    SBFC had a rather good number this weekend (3rd highest of the season). Too bad they looked dire. You know what is really dire? Philly's attendance -- taking several days to post the 2053 makes it look even worse. What is going on in the ticket sales office over there?

    SBFC & Boston are the only two teams w/ a higher median than last season.

    Boston & Washington have midweek games this week.
     
  15. pasoccerdad

    pasoccerdad Member

    Mar 17, 2008
    KOP
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    The point is that they have never used that number for attendance, yet that is the total ticket sales of every Giants game for years.

    PHILLY WPS How do you account for selling a few hundred tickets that can be used at any game ? apply them all to one game or average them out ? PLus from talking to staff, they do count each who come through the gate, otherwise there number would be a a little higher if they estimated, and would be announced at the game
     
  16. pasoccerdad

    pasoccerdad Member

    Mar 17, 2008
    KOP
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Philly is concerned about about it, but it is not crippling the team in that Stadium. I think they are looking at it as getting a dedicated fanbase then growing the numbers. They are very realistic about where there attendance is at.
     
  17. REVS FAN 1

    REVS FAN 1 Member

    Jul 2, 2004
    Weymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Our midweek game this week is the one that was added after the fall of Athletica...Wed night at 7pm.

    I'd expect season ticket holders and not much more...


    What I'm surprised and disappointed in is the lack of advertising this match as the one and only appearance of Hope Solo to Boston this summer....

    Maybe I missed them...idk
     
  18. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your sales team/attendance number is blowing away the rest of the league. I'd cut them a little slack on this late addition to the home game schedule ;)

    Boston is doing a bunch of things "right" and I'd like to think that other teams would be picking their brains to try and see what methods & approaches would work in their markets. If other teams aren't trying to copy many of the Boston methods, they prolly should be.

    Team Medians:

    BOS 4651
    CRS 3954.5
    WAS 3830.5
    SBFC 3418
    STL 3203.5
    ATL 3228
    FCGP 3077.5
    Philly 2585
     
  19. RUfan

    RUfan Member

    Dec 11, 2004
    NJ
    Club:
    Sky Blue FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  20. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They probably average them out. Also it's common for teams to count every person who comes through the gate as teams do want to know the actual attendance. But those numbers are usually lower than any reported number (ie: the distributed number) which is why they're almost never reported to the public. Now it's possible Philly reports that number, but I highly doubt it.
     
  21. MAR2010

    MAR2010 Member

    Jul 8, 2010
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We've talked about this a lot at the Independence thread, but this team really needs to play in a place that more fans find convenient. West Chester and the western suburbs are not enough, on their own, to sustain a major league team, and many folks from South Jersey and Bucks -- folks who should be part of the team's core market -- aren't even considering the trip. Also, in a Philly summer, lots of folks will be coming up from the shore for a game. But not to go all the way to WCU. Perhaps some Friday night fixtures at a good location might be attractive for a family on its way to the shore.

    You need to think, survey your audience, have a plan. I honestly find it hard to believe that the powers that be banked on 2600 as a typical crowd.

    The best long-term solution is to partner with a university like, say, Temple or Rutgers-Camden, to build a 5K-seat soccer stadium. The Creighton stadium the WNT recently played at would be a good model. In the short run, you've got to get your product onto Main Street, not a side street.

    Also, the delayed reporting of attendance figures needs to stop. "N/A" fools no one and it just makes things seem even worse when the actual number comes out.
     
  22. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am sure the location does prevent some people that might otherwise think about coming to a game or two from actually coming to a game. But, as I've said elsewhere, WPS front office folks absolutely must sell their @sses off. No business of any sort but especially a sports business should expect people to just fork over their hard earned cash. WPS front office folks have to earn each ticket purchase. They must call people back & make those cold calls & generally focus on selling. Find out what works and cast out what doesn't work. Boston's front office is doing something right beyond playing at Harvard -- what is it and how can the other teams copy it. If the other teams aren't trying to copy it, why the hell not?

    Pro sports is a business. And many businesses are unable to afford locate their offices on Main St. Doesn't mean they throw up their hands and say "no one will ever come to my restaurant/store/studio. No. They make sure their product is beyond solid (and only half the product for sports business is the on field team). For example, they make their customer relations second to none so people tell their friends about the good business (like say making sure to call potential ticket buyers back).
     
  23. suncraver03

    suncraver03 New Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Have we mentioned lately that we are just coming out of one of the worst recessions in history--a recovery that hasn't reached the pockets of a lot of the demographic that might consider going to see a women's professional game?

    Not only are the teams selling their asses off (go CRS ticket reps, you rock!) they are doing it during a time when people are really making hard choices about how they are going to spend their money. Granted most of the most hard core fans are going to allocate their ticket money first, but almost everyone else has a lot less discretionary money.

    Good analysis kool-aid about the customer relations aspect of WPS. As an example, I may not always be super happy about the results or the way my team plays but I have never felt the experience of being there wasn't worth it. Additionally, everytime I have had a need to call my ticket rep for anything (or anyone in the front office for that matter), I have always felt like an MVP. The ticket reps go through the stands at every game, talking to individual fans and making a point of interacting with the fans. You feel like you belong there--and this coming from a member of a demographic that often feels excluded (especially at WNT games--although that experience is getting a little better too).

    The problem with this business model is finding the individuals that possess these qualities (selling/customer relations) because they could earn a ton more money working somewhere else. They also have to have a passion for the game. It's quite a unique skill set!
     
  24. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good points, suncraver03, about the economic climate, ticket sales, etc.

    In the good news column, Boston got 6k to their last home game at Harvard & the home crowd got to see a good show. Perhaps that'll help them with any future sales. FCGP increased their attendance almost 1k from their last Saturday home game.

    In the bad news column, Philly is still in their pattern of not reporting attendance until days later. Dare we hope for 3k? I'm given to understand from posts in the Philly forum that last week's 3k for Philly was w/ free tickets being given to Sons of Ben folks.
     
  25. moog

    moog Member

    Mar 2, 2003
    eastern PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Independence
    There weren't more than maybe 50 SOB's at the last game, so it wouldn't have caused that much of a spike in attendance. They finally got some decent weather--it's either been beastly hot or threatening rain at almost all of the games, so they've struggled with walk-up. Last night it rained again, though the rain stopped just in time for the game. I'd guess 2500 or so, even with the nasty weather forecast. Another group from Sons of Ben was there, and five or six of the Union players came to the game and were very gracious, signing for the fans. Califf's kids are adorable. I thought the team had orchestrated the appearance, but it turns out the Union guys wanted to come, so that was pretty cool. If more Union fans find out about the Independence, that could really help their box office.
     

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