2010/2011 Portugal Clubs Coefficient Watch [R]

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  1. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
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    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Following a fantastic 2009/2010 year where we achieved 10.000 points and finished 6th overall let's hope we can take that momentum and build on it.

    This year we are only sending 5 teams so that means less dead weight and since Porto, Sporting and Braga will likely make it to the EL group stage we should do even better.

    Here's how our teams break down.

    Benfica will start in the CL group stage.

    Braga will go into the 3rd round qualifiers for the CL

    Porto will start in the 4th round of the EL and showed breeze to the group stage

    Sporting will start in the 3rd round of the EL but should be seeded throughout the two rounds and like Porto reach the group.

    Maritimo will start in round 2 of the EL. Although they will probably be seeded in this round once they hit the next 2 they will face some stiff competition.

    Chaves didn't get a European License to play so regardless if they beat Porto for the Taca will not participate in the EL.

    http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2011.html
     
  2. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Re: 2010/2011 Portugal Coefficient watch [R]

    Here is Braga's current situation:


    What is known for the 3rd round is as follows:

    Seeded:
    -Zenit
    -Ajax

    -
    -
    -

    Unseeded:
    -Gent
    -
    -
    -
    -


    Unknown:


    Kiev
    Braga
    Celtic


    Greece: Playoffs under way, Olympiakos currently in second. They are very strong AEK, PAOK or Aris finishing in second would be better

    Swiss:
    FC Basel currently second 3 points back of Young Boys. I'd rather play the boys then Men.

    Romania:
    5 horse race right now. I would like to avoid Unirea, Steau or Cluj and hope Timisoara or Vaslui finish second.

    Turkey: Bursaspor in 2nd with 3 games to play, Galatasary 8 points back and Fener only 1 point back. Best case scenario is Bursaspor wins one game and Fener becomes Champions.

    In the 4th round the 5 winners will meet:

    Seeded:

    -Werder
    -Tottenham

    -
    -
    -

    Unseeded:
    -Sampdoria or Plaermo
    -
    -
    -
    -


    Unknown:

    France:
    Auxere, Lyon, Lille or Montpellier. Lyon is obviously who I don't want in 3rd.

    Spain: Sevilla or Mallora. Both are dangerous. Sevilla are a danger to anyone and Mallorca is deadly at home.

    So depending on who advances from round 3 (2 of Kiev, Zenit and Ajax all known to have higher coeff then Braga not counting the unknowns) and who finishes in the CL spot for France and Spain Braga have a very outside chance of being a 4th round seed, but even being a seed means playing a quality side.

    If we get tossed out of the 3rd round we will go into round 4 of the EL qualifiers and will most likely be seeded. If we manage to get to round 4 of the CL qualifiers and fail we will go directly into the EL group stage. My guess is we will be in the EL barring some minor miracles.

    http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedcl2010.html
     
  3. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Re: 2010/2011 Portugal Coefficient watch [R]

    The 3rd round CLQ draw (for non champions) will be split like this:
    Code:
    Seeded teams                   coef.              [B]Unseeded teams [/B]                coef.
    ------------------------ --- ----------------     ------------------------ --- ----------------
    Zenit St. Petersburg     Rus  61.258              Celtic                   Sco  38.158
    Ajax                     Ned  55.309              Unirea Urziceni          Rom  18.898
    Fenerbahçe               Tur  54.890              PAOK Thessaloniki        Gre  11.479
    Dinamo Kiev              Ukr  42.910              Young Boys               Sui   7.675
    [B]Sporting Braga           Por  39.659  [/B]            AA Gent                  Bel   6.580
    
    Assuming all the seeds make it to the next round this is how the 4th and final qualifying draw will be split:

    Code:
    [B]Seeded teams[/B]                   coef.              [B]Unseeded teams   [/B]              coef.
    ------------------------ --- ----------------     ------------------------ --- ----------------
    Sevilla                  Esp 108.951              Fenerbahçe *3            Tur  54.890
    Werder Bremen            Ger >94.841              Dinamo Kiev *3           Ukr  42.910
    Zenit St. Petersburg *3  Rus  61.258              [B]Sporting Braga *3        Por  39.659[/B]
    Tottenham Hotspur        Eng  56.371              Sampdoria                Ita >30.810
    Ajax *3                  Ned  55.309              AJ Auxerre               Fra  19.748
    
     
  4. verde-rubro

    verde-rubro Member+

    C.S.Maritimo + Liverpool FC
    Portugal
    Jan 15, 2005
    LONDON
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    maritimo with 3 wins so far = points
     
  5. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Portuguese teams in Europe 2010-11 {R}

    Hey y'all,

    I used to do a thread on this every year but got sidetracked the past few seasons. I thought I'd start one up again this time around, because I've been encouraged by the badass start Portuguese teams have had early on in Europe. We've got five teams in the mix for 2010/11, and of the five games they've played so far they've won all five, including some really impressive scorelines (Braga 3-0 Celtic, Maritimo 8-2 Bangor City).

    Aside from the scorelines themselves, it appears that (barring unprecedented collapses), we're going to get all five of these teams into the group stages of one of the two competitions. This is important because what's hamstrung our UEFA coefficient in past years is the 1-2 teams who crap out in the early qualifiers, dragging down the average.

    Another thing to watch for this year is how we'll fare in the UEFA standings overall, vis-a-vis other nations. There's a very real chance that we can end up the year in 6th place, behind the big five (and there's enough of a gap between us and France that there's no real chance of passing them unless something changes profoundly in the next few years). We sit 8th now, fractions of a point behind both Russia and Ukraine, and with Netherlands and Greece far enough behind that it would take a big year from either of them to pass us.

    All that having been said, after the 5 qualifying wins, Portugal has a 9 total points for an average of 1.8. It's a great start, and let's hope they keep it up.
     
  6. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    Re: 2010/2011 Portugal Coefficient watch [R]

    Damn that is truly balls for Braga in the next round. Those are all tough teams.
     
  7. verde-rubro

    verde-rubro Member+

    C.S.Maritimo + Liverpool FC
    Portugal
    Jan 15, 2005
    LONDON
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Re: Portuguese teams in Europe 2010-11 {R}

    Maritimo will need a lot of luck to get past the play off were they will face one of the big boys
     
  8. verde-rubro

    verde-rubro Member+

    C.S.Maritimo + Liverpool FC
    Portugal
    Jan 15, 2005
    LONDON
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Re: Portuguese teams in Europe 2010-11 {R}

    all the losers from champions league 3rd round will drop into the Europa League and will be joined by the teams below in a 2 leg Play-off
    AEK(GRE)
    Aston Villa(ENG)
    Club Brugge(BEL)
    CSKA Moskva(RUS)
    Dortmund(GER)
    Dundee United(SCO)
    Feyenoord(NED)
    GC(SUI)
    Getafe(ESP)
    Leverkusen(GER)
    Lille(FRA)
    Lokomotiv Moskva(RUS)
    Man. City(ENG)
    Metalist(UKR)
    Napoli(ITA)
    Palermo(ITA)
    Porto(POR)
    PSG(FRA)
    PSV(NED)
    Steaua(ROU)
    Tavriya(UKR)
    Trabzonspor(TUR)
    Vaslui(ROU)

    3rd round
    Maritimo
    Liverpool
    Juventus
    Stuttgart
    Sporting
    Austria Wien
    CSKA Sofia
    Dinamo Bucureşti

    its going to be luck of the draw and thats for porto and sporting aswell
     
  9. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Well if 3 out of Zenit, Ajax, Kiev and Fener fail to make the next round we will be a seed.

    Currently Portugal has earned enough points to move all the way to 8th on the year. Usually we're around the 20's during the qualifying stages.

    We need to finish 2-4 points ahead of Russia and Ukraine by years end to move back into 6th place overall.
     
  10. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Portuguese teams in Europe 2010-11 {R}

    True that--I had been thinking that qualifiers went direct into the group stage, but there is in fact another stage in between qualifiers and the group stage, and it will be challenging for our EL teams to get through that. At the very least let's hope Maritimo can get at least one more win in case things don't go their way next round.
     
  11. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    braga can do it imo. go braga is great you are proving to the world Portugal is not a 3 team league.
     
  12. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Re: Portuguese teams in Europe 2010-11 {R}

    forca maritimo o orguhlo das ilhas

    welllllllllllll, im not worried. Sporting will beat Porto in the EL final this season and moutinho will cry like a little b*tch:D
     
  13. Viva Portugal

    Viva Portugal Member

    Dec 27, 2009
    Toronto - GTA
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Re: Portuguese teams in Europe 2010-11 {R}

    still feeling hurt over the moutinho transfer?:)
     
  14. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Narrow loss for Braga today, 2-1 at Celtic, but they're still easily through to the next round. This means:

    1. No UEFA points because of the loss; and

    2. Based on what I read in another thread, they have to defeat one of Sevilla, Tottenham, Werder Bremen, Zenit or Ajax in a home-and-away to get into the group stages of the CL.

    The good news is that even if Braga loses in the next round of UCL qualifiers, they'll still be put into the group draw of the UEFA Cup.
     
  15. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Braga draw Sevilla in the Playoff. Again the toughest draw possible. I like it though, we have to earn our way in where as vs Ajax it would of been a pretty safe passage. Should we miss out on the CL we will go to the 2nd Pot of the EL group stage.

    In The EL:

    Porto will play Genk
    Sporting will meet Brondby
    Maritimo will face BATE

    All good draws.
     
  16. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, that's a tricky draw for Braga. I think they stand a solid chance, but Sevilla's no joke. OTOH, the other three draws are very winnable and that's a good sign.

    Though it's early daze yet in the competition, two qualifying wins yesterday continue to add to Portugal's overall point total. We're now 7-1 in qualifiers, for a total average of 2.2 points, good for sixth overall. Of far more moment, though, we still have all five teams alive in Europe, and no one yet has crapped out early (as with previous seasons) to bring down the overall average. Very excited to see if they can keep up this good form in the next stage of qualifiers.
     
  17. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Even if Braga falter they're through to the EL group stage. Sporting and Porto are locks and Maritimo should be capable of getting through. Anything can happen but so far, so (very) good.
     
  18. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oof. Tough day. Porto wins 3-0 away at Genk, but Sporting loses at home 2-0 to Brondby, while Maritimo loses 3-0 away to BATE Borisov. Those latter two are going to be very hard to overcome, so it's quite possible that Sporting and Maritimo are both done.

    We remain 5th overall with 2.6 points, but having two of five teams exit in the qualifying stages is going to make it hard to have a banner year. So let's hope for some miraculous reversals in the next leg.
     
  20. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    It was all going so well.

    Braga still have a difficult away trip to go through. Sporting dropping 2-0 at home will not be easy to match. Maritimo had they lost by 1 I think would easily overcome BATE in Madeira but 3 goals is usually enough to book a ticket to the next round.
     
  21. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, and this just in: Braga's historic win earned enough UEFA points to put Portugal top of Europe with 3.6 overall:

    http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/ccoef2011.html

    This can and absolutely will change--there's no chance Portugal will outdistance all of the big four unless some kind of miracle happens. But it's a great start. If Maritimo or Sporting can pull off an unforeseen comeback, we could have a real shot at a banner year.
     
  23. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    That looks so good right now
    [​IMG]

    But this.....

    [​IMG]

    That just looks RIGHT
     
  24. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With all the hoo-ha over the CL draw today (both good results for Braga and Benfica, fwiw), there was less spotlight on the last qualifying matches for the Europa cup. So we have:

    1. Porto 4-2 Genk

    This was a nice way for Porto to seal their already-expected progress at the expense of the Belgians, for an aggregate win of 7-2. Hulk got a hat-trick, and Portugal gets a UEFA point and Porto confirms their place in the main draw.

    2. Maritimo 1-2 BATE Borisov

    This one was disappointing. I thought Maritimo had a real chance to advance past the Bulgarians, but even when they lost to them 3-0 away I thought they'd at least have a chance to get a respectable win in Madeira. Guess not. But this mild bummer was just a blip because...

    3. Brondby 0-3 Sporting

    Sporting scored a friggin' miraculous reversal of their awful 2-0 home defeat, shutting out Brondby in Copenhagen, and getting an extra time goal to assure progress to the main stages of the Europa League. This means not only a UEFA point but the possibility for many more, so the result is a major one.

    Upshot is that Portugal completes a fantastic qualifying campaign in Europe, with 12 wins against 4 losses (and, interestingly, no draws), for a total of 4 UEFA points before the main campaign even begins. Let's hope the big four (yeah, I said that--Braga's earned that terminology, IMO) can keep up this form in the group stages. And we're still in first overall, which is kind of cool if not that meaningful:

    http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/ccoef2011.html
     
  25. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Big week for Portugal. Have to feel for Maritimo not making the group though. They faught hard and gave us a lot of points.
     

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