2009 USL attendance thread

Discussion in 'United Soccer Leagues' started by The Marquis, Apr 13, 2009.

  1. moeron15

    moeron15 New Member

    Jun 18, 2009
    Iowa City
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah - lifesaver VC. Thanks.
     
  2. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    over 10,000 in Portland and almost 5,000 in Charleston last night. NOT BAD AT ALL!
     
  3. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, maybe not. My source can't find an attendance. I'll keep trying.
     
  4. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Carolina - 3,350
    Rochester - 6,381
    Montreal - 12,805
    Vancouver - 5,288
    Portland - 9,157
     
  5. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    These are good numbers. Portland should be higher once again. last match of the season is always very high, plus fireworks post match which always brings out the families.
     
  6. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USL1/A-League

    Code:
    % of season completed
    95.8%
    Year	Average	Median	%<2K	%>10k
    2002	2966	2158	41.5%	3.3%
    2003	3251	2364	43.9%	3.9%
    2004	3791	2947	31.8%	4.2%
    2005	4432	3461	20.5%	8.1%
    2006	4588	3283	18.6%	10.6%
    2007	4749	4215	19.9%	9.9%
    2008	5138	4446	11.4%	12.0%
    2009	4710	3655	20.9%	13.3%
    
    Final Numbers
    Year	Average	Median	%<2K	%>10k
    2002	3037	2185	40.1%	3.6%
    2003	3335	2463	42.9%	4.1%
    2004	3878	3107	30.9%	4.5%
    2005	4527	3554	19.6%	7.7%
    2006	4666	3370	18.5%	10.7%
    2007	4771	4274	19.6%	10.1%
    2008	5164	4510	10.9%	12.1%
    
    USL2/D3 Pro League

    Code:
    Final Numbers
    Year	Average	Median	%<1K	%>3k
    2005	1680	1457	21.4%	11.9%
    2006	1803	1703	14.1%	11.8%
    2007	1575	1423	28.1%	6.3%
    2008	1614	1629	26.0%	7.3%
    2009	1608	1525	32.1%	7.1%
    
    Code:
    USL2				Total	Team Avg	Playoffs
    Real Maryland Monarchs		 3649	 608
    Bermuda Hogges   		 7440	 744
    Pittsburgh Riverhounds   	11778	1178
    Crystal Palace Baltimore   	11807	1181
    Charlotte Eagles     		11322	1258		 760
    Harrisburg City Islanders   	18571	1857
    Western Mass Pioneers   	17130	1903
    Wilmington Hammerheads		24666	2467		2783
    Richmond Kickers   		28737	2874		1923, 2991
    
    Austin, Charleson, Cleveland, Montreal and Puerto Rico are done. Other than Austin (new team), everyone of these finished down from last year. Puerto Rico is the worst of these -- down 25%. While that looks bad, and is disappointing considering that they've gotten so much attention from their CCL run, there are a couple MLS teams that have experienced that bad a drop, and some MLB teams as well. All of this could just be the economy.

    I'm looking forward to next season already, a 13 team league (fingers crossed), and a better economy.
     
  7. aimorris

    aimorris Member

    May 2, 2007
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You might want to keep the fingers crossed for the second part of the sentence too. :D
     
  8. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe I should've added, with fingers crossed, "better employment". A better economy (which it sounds like will be happening) won't really help attendance -- people having jobs, and jobs that pay them enough to have a little extra for fun stuff, will.
     
  9. DixieDean

    DixieDean New Member

    Jun 4, 2004
    Nassau, Bahamas

    They have averaged less than capacity every year of their existence except 1987 and 2001. Capacity is "only" 5,288. If they can't sell out at 5,288 what makes you think they would average "a lot more" just because the stadium would be bigger? I'm not trying to slam the Whitecaps. This is just reality. Your post is just spin.

    I'm sure Vancouver MLS will continue the trend of "new" clubs doing extremely well though. No doubt.
     
  10. Krammerhead

    Krammerhead Guest


    You would average a lot more because when the stadium is full, they turn people away. If those people for those games weren't turned away some games would have had a lot larger attendances. Swangard wasn't always a 5,288 capacity stadium. They removed seats during a few renovations.

    Crowds in the Canadian Soccer League days got up to 8,000 a game, so obviously had the Whitecaps now had that many seats with the way they market the team today, a few games with sellouts at 8,000 would bring the average up. In my opinion a lot more

    Why don't they sell out every game in a 5,288 seat stadium? Perhaps because it gets uncomfortable there when crowds get large. The stadium was built in 1969 for a maximum capacity of 3,800, and nothing except capacity was upgraded. There's still only one mens and one womens washroom in the stadium. It's not a great facility.

    So lets say we had a facility such as Portland. I'd say we'd average a couple a thousand more a game. Even more if our facility was actually in Vancouver.
     
  11. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    12,567 in Portland last night
     
  12. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We're guaranteed to set a >10% record, thanks to Portland's amazing season.

    So, how big is that stadium supposed to be for MLS?;)
     
  13. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It'll be around 22,000. It's current 19,500ish. Though they don't EVER open it up for more than 16,300. Once that many people get in there the place gets dangerous if there was a need to evacuate. The US Open Cup match vs. Seattle was a sellout to that 16,300 amount. People were turned away.
     
  14. moeron15

    moeron15 New Member

    Jun 18, 2009
    Iowa City
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    943 according to the box score (finally posted). Final attendance numbers are up on gregsmom.

    Montreal averaged (almost) Miami's total attendance on the year!
     
  15. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for finding that!

    ...hmmm. I'm going to have to go back and review the USL2 sheets and see if anything got added there.

    Oh, and could you post url to gregsmom? Because gregsmom.com is NSFW.:D
     
  16. moeron15

    moeron15 New Member

    Jun 18, 2009
    Iowa City
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No problemo. http://www.gregs-mom.com/USLAttendance.htm
     
  17. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. BringSoccerToIndy

    May 24, 2008
    1001 West New York Street, Indianapolis, IN
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Including the teams? I assume so.
     
  19. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And here's my contribution. I'll add in the playoff stuff as it goes along, for the fun of it.

    USL1/A-League

    Code:
    Final Numbers
    Year	Average	Median	%<2K	%>10k
    2002	3037	2185	40.1%	3.6%
    2003	3335	2463	42.9%	4.1%
    2004	3878	3107	30.9%	4.5%
    2005	4527	3554	19.6%	7.7%
    2006	4666	3370	18.5%	10.7%
    2007	4771	4274	19.6%	10.1%
    2008	5164	4510	10.9%	12.1%
    2009	4709	3662	21.2%	13.3%
    
    Code:
    USL1			 Total	Team Avg
    Montreal Impact		180494	12033
    Portland Timbers	146008	 9734
    Rochester Rhinos	 96425	 6428
    Vancouver Whitecaps	 79678	 5312
    Charleston Battery	 53013	 3534
    Puerto Rico Islanders	 49391	 3293
    Minnesota Thunder	 48135	 3209
    Austin Aztex		 44611	 2974
    Carolina RailHawks	 40953	 2730
    Cleveland City Stars	 22362	 1491
    Miami FC Blues		 15952	 1063
    
    USL2/D3 Pro League

    Code:
    Final Numbers
    Year	Average	Median	%<1K	%>3k
    2005	1680	1457	21.4%	11.9%
    2006	1803	1703	14.1%	11.8%
    2007	1575	1423	28.1%	6.3%
    2008	1614	1629	26.0%	7.3%
    2009	1602	1518	31.8%	7.1%
    
    Code:
    USL2				Total	Team Avg	Playoffs
    Richmond Kickers   		28737	2874		1923, 2991
    Wilmington Hammerheads		24666	2467		2783
    Western Mass Pioneers   	17130	1903
    Harrisburg City Islanders   	18571	1857
    Charlotte Eagles     		12420	1242		 760
    Crystal Palace Baltimore   	11807	1181
    Pittsburgh Riverhounds   	11778	1178
    Bermuda Hogges   		 7440	 744
    Real Maryland Monarchs		 3649	 608
    
     
  20. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. DavidP

    DavidP Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    Powder Springs, GA
    Heh, all but two USL2 teams outdrew Miami.
     
  22. BringSoccerToIndy

    May 24, 2008
    1001 West New York Street, Indianapolis, IN
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Miami FC is embarrassing.
     
  23. drSoFlaFan

    drSoFlaFan DEFEND THE FORT!

    Feb 25, 2008
    Plantation, FL
    Club:
    Ft Lauderdale Strikers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Try being a fan :(

    I can only hope whatever changes the team/league has in store for next season improves attendance.
     
  24. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hm. Now, there's a solution! 'Relegate' Miami and 'promote' Richmond.

    ...oops. Did I just say 'relegate' and 'promote'?;)
     
  25. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While your terms don't fit what would actually happen, if Richmond is willing that's not a terrible idea. Assuming either team wants to make such a switch, and assuming Miami FC wants to continue in the USL, which it seems they may not.
     

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