2009-2010 Concacaf Champions League [R]

MannieG · May 13, 2009

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AdamSoucie said: ↑

That's just pathetic for the region. I understand that they are some of the poorer countries, but to not have at least one stadium to play in doesn't make sense.
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Says the first world brat...

City Dave · May 13, 2009

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AdamSoucie said: ↑

That's just pathetic for the region. I understand that they are some of the poorer countries, but to not have at least one stadium to play in doesn't make sense.
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No, obviously you don't.

AdamSoucie · May 13, 2009

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Then why do they have stadiums in Africa that host the national team? Jesus, I didn't expect to get bashed for a single offhand comment

The Marquis · May 13, 2009

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AdamSoucie said: ↑

That's just pathetic for the region. I understand that they are some of the poorer countries, but to not have at least one stadium to play in doesn't make sense.
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The problem REALLY isn't Belize. The problem is that CONCACAF decided that all matches were to be at night. If they allowed matches during the day, perhaps Marion Jones Complex qualifies. Perhaps not, because I believe terracing was against the rules, but then plenty of CONCACAF stadiums would not meet the criteria.

The Marquis · May 13, 2009

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AdamSoucie said: ↑

Then why do they have stadiums in Africa that host the national team?
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All African nations are footballing nations, meaning that football (soccer) is the #1 sport. Many CONCACAF nations are not. Granted Belize is a footballing nation, but keep in mind... it is a SMALL footballing nation (320,000 people, about half the population of the least populated state in the U.S.).

Here are the national stadiums for the following similarly sized African nations...

Sao Tome and Principe (200,000) - No picture, seats 6,500

Western Sahara (380,000) - No Stadium

Djibouti (500,000) - 10,000 capacity... w/ lights!

Cape Verde (420,000) - Capacity 8,000. Looks like the spitting image of the stadium in Belize in a nation of 100,000 more people.

Equatorial Guinea (550,000) - 15,000 capcity. Must admit, pretty nice.

Nazzer · May 13, 2009

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couldn't concacaf help belize, nicaragua and the caribean countries that don't hav e adequate facilities get up to standard. Even just getting one stadium to have changerooms and lights would let them participate in so much more. Didn't Trinidad and Tobago get a whole bunch of money from fifas 'goal' program?

The Marquis · May 13, 2009

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Nazzer said: ↑

couldn't concacaf help belize, nicaragua and the caribean countries that don't hav e adequate facilities get up to standard. Even just getting one stadium to have changerooms and lights would let them participate in so much more. Didn't Trinidad and Tobago get a whole bunch of money from fifas 'goal' program?
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There are two problems.

1. The CONCACAF president. Just read up on the guy.

2. There are a lot of countries in CONCACAF with inadequate facilities. I think their priorities are with the nations that are trying to do it themselves... oh and read up on Jack Warner. Not the most trustworthy guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_"Jack"_Warner

City Dave · May 13, 2009

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It's not as simple as that. You can't just put lights up and solve the problem. There are issues of the power/electrical infrastructure, cost of maintenance, security, etc.

sidspaceman · May 13, 2009

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Nazzer said: ↑

couldn't concacaf help belize, nicaragua and the caribean countries that don't hav e adequate facilities get up to standard. Even just getting one stadium to have changerooms and lights would let them participate in so much more. Didn't Trinidad and Tobago get a whole bunch of money from fifas 'goal' program?
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Belize misses big chance for home game!

The championship finals is to be played either in Los Angeles, California, or in Houston, Texas on June 15. It is expected to earn more than U.S. $2 million in gross receipts, the Football Federation of Belize estimates.

FFB President Bertie Chimilio has said the reason for going abroad is that Belize does not have a FIFA approved football field with adequate facilities, but others are saying that Chimilio is motivated more by the money incentive than anything else.

After expenses, the Football Federation of Belize stands to earn a cool million and a half U.S. dollars, and this does not include broadcast rights, which will also be substantial.

FIFA, the international Football Association has been very good to Belize, supporting the local football federation, the FFB, with many financial packages.

The Football Federation of Belize receives an annual subsidy from FIFA of US $250,000 for football development.

In 2001, FIFA gave U.S. $500,000 for a football academy and in 2006 it gave U.S. $400,000 to upgrade football fields around the country. with bleachers, a mini stadium, and a training center with dressing rooms, floodlights for night games and for parking space.

Amid all this largesse Chimilio has not seen it fit to give an accounting in Belize of how the money has been spent, and he bristles at the idea that anyone should want to know.
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All I know is that a few years they better have a stadium.

AdamSoucie · May 13, 2009

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Now you see why I find it pathetic? If countries are pissing away money (or their federation directions are embezelling it), there's no excuse to not have at least one stadium. I'm not expecting a SSS in every major city. Having one stadium up to standards isn't too much to ask.

Supposedly Nicaragua is building a stadium, but the link to the FIFA story seems to go nowhere.

cleazer · May 14, 2009

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Does anybody know if Real Esteli has Nicaragua's CCL spot for this year locked up?

The Marquis · May 15, 2009

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Nicaragua is the one league I have not found a way to follow.

MountainHawk · May 15, 2009

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The Marquis said: ↑

Nicaragua is the one league I have not found a way to follow.
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http://www.rsssf.com/tablesn/nica09.html

fdp · May 16, 2009

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The Marquis said: ↑

Nicaragua is the one league I have not found a way to follow.
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... and that's a bad thing?

BoriQa · May 16, 2009

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The Puerto Rico Islanders and the W. Connection of Trinidad qualified yesterday to the CCL 2009-10.

Tomorrow they will play to define the Caribbean crown.

San Juan Jabloteh (Trinidad) and Tempete FC (Haiti) will play tomorrow for the 3rd Caribbean spot in the CCL.

The Marquis · May 18, 2009

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Just for a little variety I'd love to see Tempete win that 3rd spot. Trindad w/ two clubs doesn't thrill.

Tempete could play here...

As i don't believe their home ground meets CONCACAF requirements...

cleazer · May 18, 2009

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The Marquis said: ↑

Just for a little variety I'd love to see Tempete win that 3rd spot. Trindad w/ two clubs doesn't thrill.
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Tempete lost yesterday. San Juan Jabloteh got the final Caribbean spot.

The Marquis · May 18, 2009

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Tempete lost yesterday. San Juan Jabloteh got the final Caribbean spot.
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Well shit!

JYDA · May 18, 2009

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That's a shame. A variety of clubs from the Caribbean would've been nice.

anewsoccerfan · May 18, 2009

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Too bad the Jamaican clubs decided not to give it a go this year. I think the T&T and Jamaican clubs are the strongest in the Caribbean along with Puerto Rico Islanders of the USL.

newtex · May 18, 2009

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cleazer said: ↑

Does anybody know if Real Esteli has Nicaragua's CCL spot for this year locked up?
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The CONCACAF website says they do but they might not be allowed to play in the CCL.

Real Esteli has earned the chance to represent Nicaragua and could become the 17the team to qualify if its stadium meets the tournament standards when it is inspected next week. If the stadium is not approved, the berth will be awarded to a third Panamanian side.
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The Marquis · May 18, 2009

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Hahahahahaha!

And Costa Rica implodes.

la fresa · May 18, 2009

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the other two spots for mexico will either be

Pachuca/Indios

or

Puebla/UNAM's youth team

nfiniti · May 19, 2009

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shoot, I hope the stadium is deemed unfit, so we (panama) can get a 3rd team in.. don't want to wish no bad luck on others, but.. lol

Paul Calixte · May 19, 2009

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The Marquis said: ↑

Hahahahahaha!

And Costa Rica implodes.
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Fairly so - honestly, there is no way anyone else in Central America deserves a 3rd team before them.

But...if you don't mind the mental exercise, if I had to justify it, besides said league-rankings, the best way to go about it would be to say that the results from the last tournament were the only ones taken into consideration when deciding who was in line for the extra spot.

Thus...the fact that Olimpia and Marathón (especially the latter for being the best team in the group stages and for being the only CA team to get to the quarterfinals) got more points combined than Saprissa put Honduras first in line for an extra spot. And then: Tauro and San Fransicso combined got as many points as Saprissa in the group stages, but Panama gets the nod ahead of Costa Rica because both of them qualified for the group stages, whereas la Liga (Alajuelense) didn't. At least, then, if someone else manages to fail a stadium inspection, Costa Rica would be ahead of Guatemala and El Salvador.

In closing: it's all La Liga's fault.