2009-2010 Concacaf Champions League - Part II

Discussion in 'CONCACAF Champions Cup' started by IASocFan, Aug 28, 2009.

  1. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have a math question about the quarterfinal draw. If any first place club could be drawn against any second place club, there would be 24 permutations for the quarterfinal matchups (4 x 3 x 2 x 1 = 24). However, given the restriction that two clubs from the same group cannot play each other, how many possible permutations are there?
     
  2. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here are the 9 (I think that's how many) possible permutations of quarterfinal matchups:

    1. Pachuca vs. Marathon
    Toluca vs. Arabe Unido
    Cruz Azul vs. Comunicaciones
    Pumas UNAM vs. Columbus

    2. Pachuca vs. Marathon
    Toluca vs. Columbus
    Cruz Azul vs. Comunicaciones
    Pumas UNAM vs. Arabe Unido

    3. Pachuca vs. Marathon
    Toluca vs. Comunicaciones
    Cruz Azul vs. Arabe Unido
    Pumas UNAM vs. Columbus

    4. Pachuca vs. Columbus
    Toluca vs. Comunicaciones
    Cruz Azul vs. Arabe Unido
    Pumas UNAM vs. Marathon

    5. Pachuca vs. Columbus
    Toluca vs. Arabe Unido
    Cruz Azul vs. Comunicaciones
    Pumas UNAM vs. Marathon

    6. Pachuca vs. Columbus
    Toluca vs. Comunicaciones
    Cruz Azul vs. Marathon
    Pumas UNAM vs. Arabe Unido

    7. Pachuca vs. Comunicaciones
    Toluca vs. Arabe Unido
    Cruz Azul vs. Marathon
    Pumas UNAM vs. Columbus

    8. Pachuca vs. Comunicaciones
    Toluca vs. Columbus
    Cruz Azul vs. Marathon
    Pumas UNAM vs. Arabe Unido

    9. Pachuca vs. Comunicaciones
    Toluca vs. Columbus
    Cruz Azul vs. Arabe Unido
    Pumas UNAM vs. Marathon

    Which ones do you think would make it most likely for a Mexican club to lose?
     
  3. la fresa

    la fresa Member+

    Oct 31, 2005
    texas
    Club:
    Serbian White Eagles
    the only way i see a mexican team failing to advance would be unam's third team vs arabe unido


    anything else, including unam's first or second team vs arabe unido, and it'll be an all mexican semi-final
     
  4. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd say that Marathon also has a chance - if they make use of their home-field advantage to win by 2 or 3 and then put on a masterclass of parking-the-bus that would make North Korea proud (and Montreal envious) in the second leg, they could sneak through.

    But hopefully, with all these teams getting to play in Mexico in this tournament, someone will finally be willing to play to win there (even with the altitude).
     
  5. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    Tuca better not tank it again
     
  6. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to their website, Arabe Unido will play its quarterfinal home leg in the Estadio Rommel Fernandez, which will be finished prior to the match:

    http://www.deportivoarabeunido.com/noticia7.php

    Hopefully a big* crowd comes out for what would be the biggest game in their history (unless they go farther, of course).

    * big by Panama standards, so 7-10k in attendance would be great.
     
  7. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    So you're saying Arab United has never made it past the CONCACAF Quarterfinals?
     
  8. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're seriously going to make me look through the history books to back my claim? It's not like I'm a broadcaster or anything. :D

    But while I'm at it, check out this gem from the 1963 tournament (from CONCACAF's pdf archive http://www.concacafmain.premiumtv.co.uk/staticFiles/f9/3a/0,,12813~146169,00.pdf ):

    First round, home-away series:

    Wait, so that means that way back when, a US-based team did win in Mexico! :eek: For what it's worth, of course... :p

    OK, and for Arabe: in fact, they were the first (and only) team ever from Panama to play in a CONCACAF club tournament before this new Champions League - in 2003, and they got knocked out by the Columbus Crew in the first round (2-1 win at home followed by a 0-3 loss in Columbus). So not only have they never made it past the quarterfinals, but they are also the first ever team from Panama to even play at this level. History in the making...
     
  9. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    whoever plays pumas. if pumas plays a u-20 team, the other team has a chance
     
  10. Socrates_81

    Socrates_81 Red Card

    May 27, 2008
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    You would think Tuca would want to win this tournament, considering his team is in the gutter right now. But it wouldn't surprise me if he plays a bunch of kids again.
     
  11. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    but by the time the CCL quarterfinals kick off he could have pumas back near the top of the table in the FMF
     
  12. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico

    besides its not like it matters what Pumas does; come crunch time Toluca is going to lay the smackdown, win their 3rd Concacaf title, and go to the Club World Cup :cool::D
     
  13. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. Socrates_81

    Socrates_81 Red Card

    May 27, 2008
    Blank
    I hate that it's going to take forever to get these games started. I guess we'll have to wait until March.
     
  15. nfiniti

    nfiniti Member

    Jun 30, 2007
    Rutherford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Panama
    Let's go Arabe!!! SI SE PUEDE!!!!! I hope the Rommel is packed on matchday I!!! let's go arabe!!
     
  16. CyberAce100

    CyberAce100 Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    You guys drew the toughest team. Cruz Azul is playing very well right now and Emanuel Villa is a beast.
     
  17. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure Columbus would rather get started at home in January or February against Toluca! :cool:
     
  18. nfiniti

    nfiniti Member

    Jun 30, 2007
    Rutherford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Panama

    Yeah, I know man.. but I have faith.. that the team will sign some good players to strengthen the bench.. and practice practice practice these next months.. let's go arabe..
     
  19. Ags09

    Ags09 Member

    Club America
    Mexico
    Jun 16, 2006
    Philly
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    it will be almost impossible for a mexican team to be knocked out...unless pumas plays with their U-20 team.

    Cruz Azul has a great team now...
    Toluca...I dont even have to touch on it
    Pachuca..Will be better off next season with new players coming in
    Pumas..the only if, if they play with their first team it wont be a problem.
     
  20. Pirru

    Pirru Member+

    Sep 21, 2004
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    because of the cold?
     
  21. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, Columbus average winter temps (plus Chicago and Toronto)

    Average Temps - Celsius

    --- Jan Feb Mar
    Clb Hi 2 5 12
    Clb Lo -7 -5 0
    Chi Hi -2 2 9
    Chi Lo -8 -4 -2
    Tor Hi -3 -2 3
    Tor Lo -11 -11 -6
     
  22. Pirru

    Pirru Member+

    Sep 21, 2004
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Toluca is a very cold place
     
  23. Ags09

    Ags09 Member

    Club America
    Mexico
    Jun 16, 2006
    Philly
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    extemely cold place if you ask me....

    the only time i went was during new years and holy shit it was facking cold
     
  24. Otaku

    Otaku Member+

    Dec 9, 2003
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    according to wikipedia.

     
  25. Moises

    Moises Member

    Feb 8, 2007
    miami
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    when are the round of 16s?
     

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