Caig out HOU Chicago Out: Tomasz Frankowski (waived) Diego Gutierrez (retired) Andy Herron (waived) Stephen King (Expansion Draft) Chivas Out: Alex Zotinca (waived) Columbus Out: Kevin Burns (waived) Brad Evans (Expansion Draft) Ryan Junge (waived) George Josten (waived) Andrew Peterson (waived) Ricardo Pierre-Louis (waived) Brian Plotkin (waived) Colorado Out: Mike Petke (Waiver Draft) Tim Ward (waived) Dallas Out: Duilio Davino (contract mutually terminated) Jeff Rowland (waived) Bobby Rhine (retired) Spencer Wadsworth (waived) David Wagenfuhr (retired) DC Out: Jeff Carroll (waived) Houston Out: Tony Caig (option declined) Nate Jaqua (Expansion Draft) Kansas City In: Adam Cristman (trade w/NE) Out: Carlos Marinelli (waived) Ryan Pore (waived) Ivan Trujillo (waived) Tyson Wahl (Expansion Draft) Kerry Zavagnin (retired) Los Angeles In: Jovan Kirovski (trade w/SJ) Out: Scott Bolkan (retired) Jeremy Barlow (waived) Joe Franchino (waived) Alvaro Pires (waived) Greg Vanney (retired) Peter Vagenas (Expansion Draft) New England Out: Jose Angulo (waived) Adam Cristman (trade w/KC) Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjaelland - Denmark) Khano Smith (Expansion Draft) Doug Warren (waived) Other Considerations 3rd round SuperDraft pick in 2009 (from KC in A. Cristman trade) Allocation $ (from KC in A. Cristman trade) New York In: Mike Petke (Waiver Draft) Out: Gabriel Cichero (waived) Gordan Kljestan (waived) Jeff Parke (Expansion Draft) Sainey Touray (waived) Salt Lake Out: Nik Besagno (waived) Kenny Cutler (waived) Dustin Kirby (waived) Nathan Sturgis (Expansion Draft) San Jose Out: Jovan Kirovski (trade w/LA) James Riley (Expansion Draft) Other Considerations Conditional SuperDraft pick in 2010 (from LA in J. Kirovski trade) Seattle In: Brad Evans (Expansion Draft) Nate Jaqua (Expansion Draft) Kasey Keller*** (Fulham - England) Stephen King (Expansion Draft) Sebastien Le Toux*** (Seattle - USL1) Freddie Ljungberg (West Ham United - England) Sanna Nyassi*** (Ports Authority FC - Gambia) Jeff Parke (Expansion Draft) James Riley (Expansion Draft) Jarrod Smith (Expansion Draft) Khano Smith (Expansion Draft) Nathan Sturgis (Expansion Draft) Peter Vagenas (Expansion Draft) Tyson Wahl (Expansion Draft) Toronto Out Hunter Freeman (IK Start - Norway) Tim Regan (Retired) Jarrod Smith (Expansion Draft) *** indicates players that were actually signed during the 2008 season.
Houston's declining of Caig's option makes me wonder what we should do with players who are out of contract. I believe that their rights still belong to the team they were playing with, and in a fair number of cases, they end up re-signing with the team. But then again, there are a bunch who don't and then we end up wondering "what happened to that guy -- I don't see him on the list" Stuff like this from Goff doesn't help either: So -- do we Add them to the list as 'out of contract' and then pluck them off the list if they do re-sign? Create a separate list, and then add whoever doesn't re-sign to the out list right before the season starts Something else Let me know what you think.
Here's a starter out of contract list I was able to get from Google searching. DC Bryan Namoff Rod Dyachenko Gonzalo Martinez Quavas Kirk Gonzalo Peralta Houston Wade Barrett Bobby Boswell Columbus Chad Marshall NYRB Dave Van den Bergh
Since this is a "player movement scorecard" I suggest you just stick to "known moves." (or option 1 as you list above.) I don't know if being out of contract is different than being waived, in that sense, but I suppose it is -- as the waiver is a move by the team, and an out of contract situation is a non-movement (at this point). guys like Petke get both their outgoing (Colorado) and ingoing (NY) moves tracked, because they are both MLS related. but even for waived guys or non-re-upped contract guys be they Marinelli or Parkhurst, I think it is worth listing their destination, if it is known (but there's no real reason to hunt down every last detail. (but since the Millonarios in Colombia info is available, I see no harm in adding that in). then again, I don't really have to do the work. anyway, I vote for keeping this a simple list of in and out moves (as they are known). being out of contract, doesn't count as a move so much, until a different piece of news is known (i.e. the player signed elsewhere -- be that lower level or foreign league, or if the ex-player has gone into real estate or the seminary or whatever). I don't know if (but I think) it is worth knowing/listing that Parkhurst (as he has since signed with a foreign club) was initially out of contract in MLS, and that Marinelli (as he has since signed with a foreign club) was initially waived by his MLS team. i guess the most useful information for the outgoing guys is why they're no longer in the league (in Parkhurst or Freeman's case, for example, it's not because he signed with a foreign club, it is because he played out his MLS contract.) whereas the Marinelli reason was a waive. The FC Nordsjaelland - Denmark or Millonarios - Columbia or IK Start - Norway info really isn't all that relevant to MLS, per se, unless of course there was a transfer fee involved. (the same could be said of the incoming players and their most-recent team. I really only see the need to list those previous clubs if MLS had to pay a transfer fee -- or list the club but say no fee.) you could just tack on an Currently out of contract listing under each teams In and Out and Other Considerations sections. players would then be removed from that Currently out of contract section of the list and/or added to the Out section as new info is made available.
I agree, stick to transfer moves and waived players. There are a lot of players out of contract and if a team opts not to sign them again and another team doesn't pick them up, we'll know about it.
Colorado Out of Contract: Bouna Coundoul - In negotiations (According to GM Jeff Plush) Jose Burciaga Jr. - ???
Well, since there's no groundswell of support to add the out of contract folks until we know for sure what happens to them, I'll leave them out. Looks like the rules we've established in the past are still pretty good.
DeRo traded Chicago Out: Tomasz Frankowski (waived) Diego Gutierrez (retired) Andy Herron (waived) Stephen King (Expansion Draft) Chivas Out: Alex Zotinca (waived) Columbus Out: Kevin Burns (waived) Brad Evans (Expansion Draft) Ryan Junge (waived) George Josten (waived) Andrew Peterson (waived) Ricardo Pierre-Louis (waived) Brian Plotkin (waived) Colorado Out: Mike Petke (Waiver Draft) Tim Ward (waived) Dallas Out: Duilio Davino (contract mutually terminated) Jeff Rowland (waived) Bobby Rhine (retired) Spencer Wadsworth (waived) David Wagenfuhr (retired) DC Out: Jeff Carroll (waived) Houston In: Julius James (trade w/Toronto) Out: Tony Caig (option declined) Dwayne DeRosario (trade w/Toronto) Nate Jaqua (Expansion Draft) Other Considerations Allocation $ (from Toronto in D. DeRosario trade) Kansas City In: Adam Cristman (trade w/NE) Out: Carlos Marinelli (waived) Ryan Pore (waived) Ivan Trujillo (waived) Tyson Wahl (Expansion Draft) Kerry Zavagnin (retired) Los Angeles In: Jovan Kirovski (trade w/SJ) Out: Scott Bolkan (retired) Jeremy Barlow (waived) Joe Franchino (waived) Alvaro Pires (waived) Greg Vanney (retired) Peter Vagenas (Expansion Draft) New England Out: Jose Angulo (waived) Adam Cristman (trade w/KC) Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjaelland - Denmark) Khano Smith (Expansion Draft) Doug Warren (waived) Other Considerations 3rd round SuperDraft pick in 2009 (from KC in A. Cristman trade) Allocation $ (from KC in A. Cristman trade) New York In: Mike Petke (Waiver Draft) Out: Gabriel Cichero (waived) Gordan Kljestan (waived) Jeff Parke (Expansion Draft) Sainey Touray (waived) Salt Lake Out: Nik Besagno (waived) Kenny Cutler (waived) Dustin Kirby (waived) Nathan Sturgis (Expansion Draft) San Jose Out: Jovan Kirovski (trade w/LA) James Riley (Expansion Draft) Other Considerations Conditional SuperDraft pick in 2010 (from LA in J. Kirovski trade) Seattle In: Brad Evans (Expansion Draft) Nate Jaqua (Expansion Draft) Kasey Keller*** (Fulham - England) Stephen King (Expansion Draft) Sebastien Le Toux*** (Seattle - USL1) Freddie Ljungberg (West Ham United - England) Sanna Nyassi*** (Ports Authority FC - Gambia) Jeff Parke (Expansion Draft) James Riley (Expansion Draft) Jarrod Smith (Expansion Draft) Khano Smith (Expansion Draft) Nathan Sturgis (Expansion Draft) Peter Vagenas (Expansion Draft) Tyson Wahl (Expansion Draft) Toronto In: Dwayne DeRosario (trade w/Houston) Out Hunter Freeman (IK Start - Norway) Julius James (trade w/Houston) Tim Regan (Retired) Jarrod Smith (Expansion Draft) *** indicates players that were actually signed during the 2008 season.
http://wewantrapidman.blogspot.com/2008/12/coaching-staff-goodbye-reserves.html Burciaga leaving Colorado That leaves Bouna Coundoul as the only Rapids player out of contract and according to this report he's close to re-signing.
A slightly different view based off the confirmed running list above. Significant incoming players are bolded although this is subjective and certainly subject to debate. Players with full national team caps automatically qualify. Significant outgoing players are bolded only if they transfered to another team or contributed a meaningful amount of minutes this year (over 10 games played or 600 minutes). Players who were waived (even if they played regularly) are not bolded. MLS Net Talent Gain Additions: Freddie Ljungberg (D) Kasey Keller Sebastien Le Toux Sanna Nyassi (D) Designated Player Losses: Hunter Freeman (T) Michael Parkhurst (T) Kerry Zavagnin (R) Greg Vanney (R) Diego Gutierrez (R) Ivan Trujillo (W) Duilio Davino (W) Joe Franchino (W) Alvaro Pires (W) Tomasz Frankowski (W) Andy Herron (W) Ryan Pore (W) Carlos Marinelli (W) Gabriel Cichero (W) Dustin Kirby (W) Gordan Kljestan (W) Sainey Touray (W) Jose Angulo (W) Doug Warren (W) Jeremy Barlow (W) Tony Caig (W) Jeff Carroll (W) Jeff Rowland (W) Spencer Wadsworth (W) Tim Ward (W) Kevin Burns (W) Ryan Junge (W) George Josten (W) Andrew Peterson (W) Ricardo Pierre-Louis (W) Brian Plotkin (W) Alex Zotinca (W) Dustin Kirby (W) Nik Besagno (W) Kenny Cutler (W) Bobby Rhine (R) Scott Bolkan (R) David Wagenfuhr (R) Tim Regan (R) (T) Transfer (R) Retired (W) Waived
I'm not sure I would include domestic waived guys at this point. They have a habit of turning up come training camp. It would also likely make the list significantly more manageable? Just an idea...
Ruiz out TOR Brown out HOU Chicago Out: Tomasz Frankowski (waived) Diego Gutierrez (retired) Andy Herron (waived) Stephen King (Expansion Draft) Chivas Out: Alex Zotinca (waived) Columbus Out: Kevin Burns (waived) Brad Evans (Expansion Draft) Ryan Junge (waived) George Josten (waived) Andrew Peterson (waived) Ricardo Pierre-Louis (waived) Brian Plotkin (waived) Colorado Out: Mike Petke (Waiver Draft) Tim Ward (waived) Dallas Out: Duilio Davino (contract mutually terminated) Jeff Rowland (waived) Bobby Rhine (retired) Spencer Wadsworth (waived) David Wagenfuhr (retired) DC Out: Jeff Carroll (waived) Houston In: Julius James (trade w/Toronto) Out: Kyle Brown (waived) Tony Caig (option declined) Dwayne DeRosario (trade w/Toronto) Nate Jaqua (Expansion Draft) Other Considerations Allocation $ (from Toronto in D. DeRosario trade) Kansas City In: Adam Cristman (trade w/NE) Out: Carlos Marinelli (waived) Ryan Pore (waived) Ivan Trujillo (waived) Tyson Wahl (Expansion Draft) Kerry Zavagnin (retired) Los Angeles In: Jovan Kirovski (trade w/SJ) Out: Scott Bolkan (retired) Jeremy Barlow (waived) Joe Franchino (waived) Alvaro Pires (waived) Greg Vanney (retired) Peter Vagenas (Expansion Draft) New England Out: Jose Angulo (waived) Adam Cristman (trade w/KC) Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjaelland - Denmark) Khano Smith (Expansion Draft) Doug Warren (waived) Other Considerations 3rd round SuperDraft pick in 2009 (from KC in A. Cristman trade) Allocation $ (from KC in A. Cristman trade) New York In: Mike Petke (Waiver Draft) Out: Gabriel Cichero (waived) Gordan Kljestan (waived) Jeff Parke (Expansion Draft) Sainey Touray (waived) Salt Lake Out: Nik Besagno (waived) Kenny Cutler (waived) Dustin Kirby (waived) Nathan Sturgis (Expansion Draft) San Jose Out: Jovan Kirovski (trade w/LA) James Riley (Expansion Draft) Other Considerations Conditional SuperDraft pick in 2010 (from LA in J. Kirovski trade) Seattle In: Brad Evans (Expansion Draft) Nate Jaqua (Expansion Draft) Kasey Keller*** (Fulham - England) Stephen King (Expansion Draft) Sebastien Le Toux*** (Seattle - USL1) Freddie Ljungberg (West Ham United - England) Sanna Nyassi*** (Ports Authority FC - Gambia) Jeff Parke (Expansion Draft) James Riley (Expansion Draft) Jarrod Smith (Expansion Draft) Khano Smith (Expansion Draft) Nathan Sturgis (Expansion Draft) Peter Vagenas (Expansion Draft) Tyson Wahl (Expansion Draft) Toronto In: Dwayne DeRosario (trade w/Houston) Out Hunter Freeman (IK Start - Norway) Julius James (trade w/Houston) Tim Regan (Retired) Carlos Ruiz (waived) Jarrod Smith (Expansion Draft) *** indicates players that were actually signed during the 2008 season.
I think Roberto Nurse from Chivas USA signed with a Mexican team. Also, mothership Chivas is set to add Francisco Mendoza from CUSA.
I think this is a great idea,but it really deserves its own thread. Can you (or the mods) start one for the "Overall League Talent +/-" or something like that?
Nurse out CHV Chicago Out: Tomasz Frankowski (waived) Diego Gutierrez (retired) Andy Herron (waived) Stephen King (Expansion Draft) Chivas Out: Roberto Nurse (Veracruz - Mexico) Alex Zotinca (waived) Columbus Out: Kevin Burns (waived) Brad Evans (Expansion Draft) Ryan Junge (waived) George Josten (waived) Andrew Peterson (waived) Ricardo Pierre-Louis (waived) Brian Plotkin (waived) Colorado Out: Mike Petke (Waiver Draft) Tim Ward (waived) Dallas Out: Duilio Davino (contract mutually terminated) Jeff Rowland (waived) Bobby Rhine (retired) Spencer Wadsworth (waived) David Wagenfuhr (retired) DC Out: Jeff Carroll (waived) Houston In: Julius James (trade w/Toronto) Out: Kyle Brown (waived) Tony Caig (option declined) Dwayne DeRosario (trade w/Toronto) Nate Jaqua (Expansion Draft) Other Considerations Allocation $ (from Toronto in D. DeRosario trade) Kansas City In: Adam Cristman (trade w/NE) Out: Carlos Marinelli (waived) Ryan Pore (waived) Ivan Trujillo (waived) Tyson Wahl (Expansion Draft) Kerry Zavagnin (retired) Los Angeles In: Jovan Kirovski (trade w/SJ) Out: Scott Bolkan (retired) Jeremy Barlow (waived) Joe Franchino (waived) Alvaro Pires (waived) Greg Vanney (retired) Peter Vagenas (Expansion Draft) New England Out: Jose Angulo (waived) Adam Cristman (trade w/KC) Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjaelland - Denmark) Khano Smith (Expansion Draft) Doug Warren (waived) Other Considerations 3rd round SuperDraft pick in 2009 (from KC in A. Cristman trade) Allocation $ (from KC in A. Cristman trade) New York In: Mike Petke (Waiver Draft) Out: Gabriel Cichero (waived) Gordan Kljestan (waived) Jeff Parke (Expansion Draft) Sainey Touray (waived) Salt Lake Out: Nik Besagno (waived) Kenny Cutler (waived) Dustin Kirby (waived) Nathan Sturgis (Expansion Draft) San Jose Out: Jovan Kirovski (trade w/LA) James Riley (Expansion Draft) Other Considerations Conditional SuperDraft pick in 2010 (from LA in J. Kirovski trade) Seattle In: Brad Evans (Expansion Draft) Nate Jaqua (Expansion Draft) Kasey Keller*** (Fulham - England) Stephen King (Expansion Draft) Sebastien Le Toux*** (Seattle - USL1) Freddie Ljungberg (West Ham United - England) Sanna Nyassi*** (Ports Authority FC - Gambia) Jeff Parke (Expansion Draft) James Riley (Expansion Draft) Jarrod Smith (Expansion Draft) Khano Smith (Expansion Draft) Nathan Sturgis (Expansion Draft) Peter Vagenas (Expansion Draft) Tyson Wahl (Expansion Draft) Toronto In: Dwayne DeRosario (trade w/Houston) Out Hunter Freeman (IK Start - Norway) Julius James (trade w/Houston) Tim Regan (Retired) Carlos Ruiz (waived) Jarrod Smith (Expansion Draft) *** indicates players that were actually signed during the 2008 season.
I think I found where Nurse went -- my Spanish is not good though. Let us known when there's something official about Mendoza.
The Mendoza rumor came from none other than Vergara's mouth here: http://www.informador.com.mx/deportes/2008/63144/6/reaparece-jorge-vergara.htm but he's in fact saying "we're still working trough some details" so it's ok that you hold on before posting it.
Sikora out DAL Chicago Out: Tomasz Frankowski (waived) Diego Gutierrez (retired) Andy Herron (waived) Stephen King (Expansion Draft) Chivas Out: Roberto Nurse (Veracruz - Mexico) Alex Zotinca (waived) Columbus Out: Kevin Burns (waived) Brad Evans (Expansion Draft) Ryan Junge (waived) George Josten (waived) Andrew Peterson (waived) Ricardo Pierre-Louis (waived) Brian Plotkin (waived) Colorado Out: Mike Petke (Waiver Draft) Tim Ward (waived) Dallas Out: Duilio Davino (contract mutually terminated) Jeff Rowland (waived) Bobby Rhine (retired) Victor Sikora (Perth Glory - Australia) Spencer Wadsworth (waived) David Wagenfuhr (retired) DC Out: Jeff Carroll (waived) Houston In: Julius James (trade w/Toronto) Out: Kyle Brown (waived) Tony Caig (option declined) Dwayne DeRosario (trade w/Toronto) Nate Jaqua (Expansion Draft) Other Considerations Allocation $ (from Toronto in D. DeRosario trade) Kansas City In: Adam Cristman (trade w/NE) Out: Carlos Marinelli (waived) Ryan Pore (waived) Ivan Trujillo (waived) Tyson Wahl (Expansion Draft) Kerry Zavagnin (retired) Los Angeles In: Jovan Kirovski (trade w/SJ) Out: Scott Bolkan (retired) Jeremy Barlow (waived) Joe Franchino (waived) Alvaro Pires (waived) Greg Vanney (retired) Peter Vagenas (Expansion Draft) New England Out: Jose Angulo (waived) Adam Cristman (trade w/KC) Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjaelland - Denmark) Khano Smith (Expansion Draft) Doug Warren (waived) Other Considerations 3rd round SuperDraft pick in 2009 (from KC in A. Cristman trade) Allocation $ (from KC in A. Cristman trade) New York In: Mike Petke (Waiver Draft) Out: Gabriel Cichero (waived) Gordan Kljestan (waived) Jeff Parke (Expansion Draft) Sainey Touray (waived) Salt Lake Out: Nik Besagno (waived) Kenny Cutler (waived) Dustin Kirby (waived) Nathan Sturgis (Expansion Draft) San Jose Out: Jovan Kirovski (trade w/LA) James Riley (Expansion Draft) Other Considerations Conditional SuperDraft pick in 2010 (from LA in J. Kirovski trade) Seattle In: Brad Evans (Expansion Draft) Nate Jaqua (Expansion Draft) Kasey Keller*** (Fulham - England) Stephen King (Expansion Draft) Sebastien Le Toux*** (Seattle - USL1) Freddie Ljungberg (West Ham United - England) Sanna Nyassi*** (Ports Authority FC - Gambia) Jeff Parke (Expansion Draft) James Riley (Expansion Draft) Jarrod Smith (Expansion Draft) Khano Smith (Expansion Draft) Nathan Sturgis (Expansion Draft) Peter Vagenas (Expansion Draft) Tyson Wahl (Expansion Draft) Toronto In: Dwayne DeRosario (trade w/Houston) Out Hunter Freeman (IK Start - Norway) Julius James (trade w/Houston) Tim Regan (Retired) Carlos Ruiz (waived) Jarrod Smith (Expansion Draft) *** indicates players that were actually signed during the 2008 season.
He was waived to make room for DeRo. http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5iXAKRyqeuufL93VnJn4oNDaolu2A