2 MLS teams in NY / NJ, how does that work?

Discussion in 'New York City FC' started by Cowtown Felipe, Aug 15, 2012.

  1. Cowtown Felipe

    Cowtown Felipe Member+

    Mar 12, 2012
    Fort Worth, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If NYC gets a team, I can think of 4 scenarios that could occur. Which one of these will happen?
    1) There is a mass of fans in NYC who have been waiting to support an MLS team, but haven't been willing to travel to NJ to support Red Bulls. Red Bulls fans remain loyal to their team in NJ. A "derby" rivalry ensues between the two teams.
    2) NY and NJ fans support both teams, bouncing between teams depending on which one is doing better. The "heated rivalry" scenario never happens.
    3) Red Bulls fans desert their team to support the more hip new team in NYC.
    4) The mass of fans in NYC who are willing to support an MLS team is overestimated. Most are already supporting Red Bulls and have no desire to change allegiances. The NYC team gets supported poorly.
    5) Other?
    I've never lived in an area with two teams competing in the same league, so I don't know how it would work. I understand Cubs v White Sox, kind of understand Yankees v Mets, but don't understand Jets v Giants.
    BTW, how does Mr. Red Bull, Dieter Mateschitz, and the rest of Red Bull Inc. feel about the possible new team in NYC?
     
  2. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Jets vs Giants is more of a fan rivarly - in fact the only TRUE rivarly in this region is Islanders v Rangers as they play in the same division.

    Every other rivalry is based upon fans man. Most Mets fans hate the Yankees because of yankee fans reminding us of the 27 championships every year.

    Jets and Giants is a little different and got more heated recently with Rex Ryan but the fans hate each other. YOu want to hear something even more special about that - Jets fans are MOSTLY made up of people from Queens and Long Island because of the days at Shea - Many (not all of course) giants fans are Jersey based fans. Jets only went to jersey in the mid 80s.

    Soccer is going to be different as its not a major sport to the AVERAGE sports fan - but there will be a rivalry amongthe die hards as you said and people will take interest.

    Which is why I really think your point number 1 will happen. Not everyone is going ot jump on the Cosmos wagon.


    *just want to add - a dying breed but there are many Mets fans who hate the yankees because their old men were Brooklyn Dodger fans. I fall into that category lol
     
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  3. napolisoccer

    napolisoccer Member

    Feb 20, 2005
    Napoli
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I hope that the Red Bulls will rebrad in NJ Red Bulls for their interest.
     
  4. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...stadium-house-mls-franchise-article-1.1136400

    "MLS executives and elected officials who are pushing for construction of the facility in Flushing Meadows Corona Park say yes -- but they acknowledge the deal is far from done, and it might be years before a MLS team plays its first home game in north-central Queens. Despite reports suggesting construction could begin early next year, the proposal still has to clear environmental and legislative obstacles"


    "There's also potential for conflict with local residents, who are concerned about the loss of parkland and opposed to commercial development of the park."
     
  6. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In other words- things look good but dont expect this to begin next year


    On a side note - who can i offer feedback to about this new layout? It really not good. I post things - it gives me an error - i post again and it shows up like 4 times on the thread

    Also the entry box - if you paste it changes fonts - its not very user friendly
     
  7. redmetrobullstars

    Nov 13, 2006
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the point of this?
     
  8. Ed NYC Firm

    Ed NYC Firm Member

    May 14, 2000
    NY
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Like most of his posts.. There is no point.
     
  9. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    Red Bull Inc. is privately held & has little to no need or desire to share opinions on the subject. What little has been said has been generally positive.
     
  10. lkgf09

    lkgf09 Member

    Jun 7, 2004
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Red Bulls keeps their fans and remains at about the same level seeing as most of the fan base is based in NJ.

    NY2 gets some attention early on and then falls back down to about average MLS level then there are two middling teams in the area.
     
  11. looknohands

    looknohands Member+

    Apr 23, 2009
    Louisville, KY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In answer to the original question of "How does that work?"
    Easy--NY fans will quickly lose interest in the new franchise and whine about "how hard it is" to get to a game, and that they'd really, really support a third franchise that was even closer. Pinky swear!
     
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  12. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    yea - lets start the NY3 supporters club.

    Honestly - i think both clubs will do well - i dont expect sell outs and a huge demand for seats but rivalry will boom and i think both teams will average 20K + a game
     
  13. Whitecaps10

    Whitecaps10 Member

    Jul 11, 2010
    Long Island,NY
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's very likely that the 1st scenario will happen.
     
  14. adam22

    adam22 Member

    May 13, 2012
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Islanders and NYR a bigger rivarly than NJ and NYR? No way.

    Almost all NJ fans will remain loyal to RBNY because it just isn't convenient for them to travel to Queens. Some of the outer New York areas will be mostly RBNY and the only battleground would be Manhattan as LI and closer areas would default to NY2.
     
  15. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Really? Honest question - how old are you? if you are younger i can see you saying that but the Islanders/Rangers game is more intense and bigger - yes the Devils have been better than the Islanders for the past 20 years but historically and overall - Rangers/Islanders is the biggest rivalry in the NY area sports
     
  16. Woodside Mets

    Woodside Mets Member

    Feb 18, 2005
    Woodside Queens NYC
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LOL..must be a kid..Rangers vs Isles is 10 times the rivalry. I know ONE Devil fan..I'm a Ranger fan and know about 100 Isles fans.

    Yes almost all NJ people will stay, Lower Manhattan people might stay with the Fizzy Drink All stars. The rest is NY1
     
  17. Woodside Mets

    Woodside Mets Member

    Feb 18, 2005
    Woodside Queens NYC
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love your pain Hillbilly..I really do..i can almost taste those white trash tears from here. Go watch Nascar . Soccer's a commie sport for them foreign types Cletus , didn't anybody tell you that
     
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  18. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    It's nice when I'm not the one who has to say it once in a while. Good on ya woodsy.
     
  19. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    why even bother - just someone else from outside the area that looks at google maps and thinks he is smarter than everyone. Never has to commute through our city on a daily basis. doesnt understand the city or the area yet can make a comment about how LAZY we are.

    Woodsy - Citi Field is half emtpy these days - why cant those lazy people from Jersey come and help fill it up :whistling:
     
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  20. trevor_daniles

    Aug 19, 2007
    Ok you must live in ny then. I know hundreds of Devils fans and Zero islanders fans. So what's your point? Devils v Rangers is a much better rivalry.
     
  21. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    HISTORICALLY? No way - right now on the ice yea - the Devils and Rangers are the better teams but overall historically - sorry - i dont see it.

    I have gone to both rivalry games and Rangers and Devils games are intense but as bad as the Islanders are right now - the games against the Rangers are much more intense than any Rangers/Devils game ive been too.

    I mean we can agree to disagree but when the Rangers play the Calgary Flames, and im watching on TV, I still hear the Rangers fans doing "POTVIN SUCKS" - not "PARISE SUCKS"
     
  22. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    I know lots of Islanders fans and no Devils fans.
     
  23. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know plenty of Devils fans - they hate the Flyers - thats a sick rivalry - i know devils fans that hate the flyers more than the Rangers
     
  24. Ed NYC Firm

    Ed NYC Firm Member

    May 14, 2000
    NY
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    I'm a Devil fan. I find myself hating Philthy more than the NY Huns. The Huns and Islanders are the bigger rivalry in the NYC area.

    To make it a soccer comparison. Islanders v NY Huns would be Dundee v Dundee United. Devils v Huns would be Dundee v St Johnstone. It's a rivalry but not the passionate hate of the Derby.
     
  25. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I call them the Hockey Huns lol - Woodsy takes exception :)
     

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