2 great pomes

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  1. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    about every couple of years I try to read some poetry. I checked out a book from the library edited by the ex-poet laureate which is part of the poetry project or some such.

    for about the last ten years, I haven't found any thing (in terms of short poems) near as good as the following. The first is the best poem about intimate relationships. The second is about one's relationship with the world.

    I'll be out of this poetry mood within the next few weeks. Please add any poem that might be as good as these.

    pomes - bukowski
     
  2. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    I.

    somewhere i have never travelled, gladly beyond
    any experience, your eyes have their silence:
    in your most frail gesture are things which enclose me,
    or which i cannot touch because they are too near

    your slightest look easily will unclose me
    though i have closed myself as fingers,
    you open always petal by petal myself as Spring opens
    (touching skilfully, mysteriously) her first rose

    or if your wish be to close me,i and
    my life will shut very beautifully,suddenly,
    as when the heart of this flower imagines
    the snow carefully everywhere descending;

    nothing which we are to perceive in this world equals
    the power of your intense fragility:whose texture
    compels me with the colour of its countries,
    rendering death and forever with each breathing

    (i do not know what it is about you that closes
    and opens;only something in me understands
    the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses)
    nobody,not even the rain,has such small hands

    - e.e. cummings
     
  3. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    II.

    Ithaka

    As you set out for Ithaka
    hope your road is a long one,
    full of adventure, full of discovery.
    Laistrygonians, Cyclops,
    angry Poseidon-don't be afraid of them:
    you'll never find things like that on your way
    as long as you keep your thoughts raised high,
    as long as a rare excitement
    stirs your spirit and your body.
    Laistrygonians, Cyclops,
    wild Poseidon-you won't encounter them
    unless you bring them along inside your soul,
    unless your soul sets them up in front of you.


    Hope your road is a long one.
    May there be many summer mornings when,
    with what pleasure, what joy,
    you enter harbors you're seeing for the first time;
    may you stop at Phoenician trading stations
    to buy fine things,
    mother of pearl and coral, amber and ebony,
    sensual perfume of every kind-
    as many sensual perfumes as you can;
    and may you visit many Egyptian cities
    to learn and go on learning from their scholars.


    Keep Ithaka always in your mind.
    Arriving there is what you're destined for.
    But don't hurry the journey at all.
    Better if it lasts for years,
    so you're old by the time you reach the island,
    wealthy with all you've gained on the way,
    not expecting Ithaka to make you rich.
    Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey.
    Without her you wouldn't have set out.
    She has nothing left to give you now.


    And if you find her poor, Ithaka won't have fooled you.
    Wise as you will have become, so full of experience,
    you'll have understood by then what these Ithakas mean.


    C.P. Cavafy
     
  4. cj herrera

    cj herrera New Member

    May 7, 1999
    Oakland, damn straig
    I love that cummings poem. Incidentally, that poem is referenced in Woody Allen's "Hannah and Her Sisters" (I think) -- IIRC, Michael Caine uses it to seduce one of his wife's sisters.

    I should read more poetry, but one who has stuck with me is Michael Ondaatje:


    The Cinnamon Peeler

    If I were a cinnamon peeler
    I would ride your bed
    and leave the yellow bark dust
    on your pillow.

    Your breasts and shoulders would reek
    you could never walk through markets
    without the profession of my fingers
    floating over you. The blind would
    stumble certain of whom they approached
    though you might bathe
    under rain gutters, monsoon.

    Here on the upper thigh
    at this smooth pasture
    neighbour to your hair
    or the crease
    that cuts your back. This ankle.
    You will be known among strangers
    as the cinnamon peeler's wife.

    I could hardly glance at you
    before marriage
    never touch you
    --your keen nosed mother, your rough brothers.
    I buried my hands
    in saffron, disguised them
    over smoking tar,
    helped the honey gatherers . . .

    When we swam once
    I touched you in water
    and our bodies remained free,
    you could hold me and be blind of smell.
    You climbed the bank and said this is how you touch other women
    the grass cutter's wife, the lime burner's daughter.
    And you searched your arms
    for the missing perfume

    and knew
    what good is it
    to be the lime burner's daughter
    left with no trace
    as if not spoken to in the act of love
    as if wounded without the pleasure of a scar.

    You touched
    your belly to my hands
    in the dry air and said
    I am the cinnamon
    peeler's wife. Smell me.
     
  5. Ceebs

    Ceebs New Member

    Aug 6, 2002
    This excerpt from Walt Whitman's "A Child Said, What is the Grass?" always gets to me:

    What do you think has become of the young and old men?
    What do you think has become of the women and children?

    They are alive and well somewhere;
    The smallest sprouts show there is really no death,
    And if ever there was it led forward life, and does not wait at the end to arrest it,
    And ceased the moment life appeared.

    All goes onward and outward. . . .and nothing collapses,
    And to die is different from what any one supposed, and luckier.
     

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