#2 goalie

Discussion in 'Colombian National Team' started by crzdcolombian, Nov 29, 2007.

  1. colombiasigue

    colombiasigue New Member

    Apr 7, 2012
    Lo preferio a Ospina.

    Por tanto que tapa Ospina, cuanto tiempo mas tendremos al Farid en condicion? Ni creo un ano mas, mejor usarlo mientras lo tenemos.
     
  2. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    cerebro, por algo el thread se llama second goalie.....no se esta discutiendo al titular
     
  3. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Hoy fue dim vs cali.....brecas vs mondragon y que gol le regalo brecas al cali., digo el partido.....ese tipo no esta en nivel para mantener su puesto en la selección
     
  4. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Mondragon lleva 3 partidos de seguido con el arco en 0
     
  5. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Mondragon is one of the best keepers in the history of Colombia. At the age of 41 he shows why. But still, I don't think that he should be called, surelt not to be a 2nd goalie. We need to forget our veterans, and start to run our NT that will also be preper to play in 2 years. And Pepino, I don't agree regarding what you said about Ramos. He is a wonderful keeper and we saw that many times, but what happens this tourenament is that he also has very weak defense. Put Casillas with this defense and he won't be that good either. Altough I wouldn't mind if Farid get called (wouldn't matter, Ospina needs and must be #1), I still think that Nelson is the best Colombian keeper in the league along side Farid.
     
  6. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I have seen all the goal that mills have received, and a lot of are from his fault...balls that can be catches easy......and we don't have so many saves.....
     
  7. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    La eliminatoria como es un partido ahora y dentro de 4 meses es el siguiente hay que llamar a los jugadores que esten en buen nivel ahora sin importar si no pueden jugar el prox partido dentro de 4 meses o el Mundial

    Si Mondragon me va a asegurar el arco en 0 vs Peru y Ecuador yo lo llamo sin importar que no vaya a estar para el final de la eliminatoria o el mundial

    Muchas veses pasa asi hay jugadores que empiesan la eliminatoria y no terminan jugando el mundial at all (yeah asi de optimista estoy de que vamos al mundial)
     
  8. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    this....

    we need to build a team towards who we can expect to play in 2014 in full fitness and form.

    this means no yepes, no perea, no mondragon.

    just like spain, germany, holland do - they build teams of young players that are geared to the future. germany cut themselves off of players like Frings and Ballack. spain cut themselves off from raul. holland with van nistelrooy.

    some people have adopted the attitude that they only look forward to the next two games. that's the mentality that colombia has been in since 1998 to today.

    no core team = no international presence = no threat in copa americas and world cup qualifiers....

    if you look at the stats of our core players from 1990 to 1998 - the core squad had total caps with colombia in excess of 60 or more caps individually. no one today comes even close to that...top NT's have players under 30 with over 50 caps with their NT side. this is what we need to strive for...
     
  9. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    that's nice to say but it is so much easier for any of those teams to qualify then it is for us.

    They are better teams don't get me wrong but they qualify against 8 Bolivias or Jamicas each. Europe is a joke you never see Italy, Spain, Holland in 1 qualifying group
     
  10. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Hay algo que no quieren ver tampoco y es la extrema experiencia y vos de mando que tiene Mondragon, Mondragon muy seguramente hablando acomoda la defensa y es un improvement a nuestra parte debil.

    Esque veanlo en el Cali, Pepino porque esta viendolo por eso lo esta pidiendo, yo tambien he venido siguiendo al Cali por comesaña y me ha sorprendido mucho el nivel de Mondragon.

    Ojala y Tio Nicci y Azucarero den su opinion que son los que mas han seguido el progreso de Mondragon
     
  11. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Crzd, you are right regarding the qualification zone, but it's absurd that players like Zapata & Mosquera who are not young any more barely have caps in the NT because we used Cordoba, Yepes & Perea too many times and didn't gave them a chance. We need to start running our team with our young talents. The guys of 2005 U-20 should be consider as veterans as for today but not all of them have the experience in the NT.
     
  12. viscajunior

    viscajunior Member+

    Aug 3, 2008
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Llamar a Mondragon no seria para nada descabellado.
     
  13. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Verdades a medias.....Alemania hasta ahora saco a ballack del proceso fue hasta ahora, no fue al mundial por lesión y nunca retomo el nivel, así como saco a ballack, todavía cuenta con klose y friedrich jugadores bien veteranos....

    Holanda saco a Van Nistelrooy del mundial por inhabilidad y luego lo volvio a llamar, hace una semana van marwik le dijo que no iba contar con el para la euro, pero partcicipo en las eiliminatorias.....asi como holanda presicindio de van nistelrooy todavía cuenta con van bommel, mathijseen y bouhlarouz jugadores bien veteranos y llevo al mundial demasiado viejo a gio que tuvo un mundialazo.....

    España saco a raul pero dejo muchos jugadores de su edad para ganar el mundial, como puyol, capdevilla,marchena y hasta el mismo xavi hernandez

    Entonces eso de decir que los proceso exitosos son desde el comienzo con los mismos jugadores y todos jóvenes.....es una verdad arreglada
     
  14. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Calling Mondragon is not bad as long as no retarded coach or media ask to bench Ospina. I don't mind bringing Mondragon and another goalie as subs for Ospina. But just bringing in Ospina and Mondragon to me at least is kind of dumb. Mondragon has so much knowledge for Ospina and potentially our #2/3 string goalie. I just don't like the idea of him being the starter or taking playing time away from Ospina.

    Same with Yepes as long as he doesn't start I can care less that he is on the bench. He is a leader and has tons of experience as long as we invite other guys who start over him. I don't like the idea of Yepes and Perea being called. One or the other and Yepes has done 10x more in his career than Perea.
     
  15. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Good posting Crzd!
     
  16. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I've been watching Mondragon since he got in Europe. I watch alot of Philly games, and I watch Cali games every week.


    I'll tell you that Mondragon hasn't lost his form. He's a presence to be wrecken with at his age. I still take Ospina only because there is no need to switch Goalies. However if Ospina had broken his nose again. Mondragon is my number 2. He's very well organized, and although his diving isn't that great, I still be afraid to shoot at the arc.
     
  17. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Ningun MOndragon ni ningún Ramos.............Los second goalies de la selección siguen siendo Breinner y Neco, según la convocatoria de pekerman
     
  18. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Not sure at all. This callup seems more like players that Perkerman will want to work personally with them to check his options regarding the next callups (he cannot stay with the same 20 players all the time). I don't think that it means that they will the keepers for sure. Either way, Mondragon is way better then both of them.
     
  19. Clenbuterol

    Clenbuterol Red Card

    Aug 25, 2011
    Club:
    --other--
    Looks like it is going to be Neco to me.
     
  20. HijodelAB

    HijodelAB Member

    Aug 21, 2011
    Neiva Yumboersey
    Si creo, que el arquero #2 sale de la convocatoria de el "microciclo" de Pekerman.
    El convocar a un jugador que esta por retirarse en 1 o 2 agnos, no tiene sentido alguno.

    Sinceramente yo preferiria a Mondragon que al desastre de Neko..
     
  21. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Breiner Castillo Nuevo Jugador del Real Cartagena.....
     
  22. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    But why to post it here? I already post it in Cartagena's thread...:p
     
  23. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    To realize that our sub goalies sucks
     
  24. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Well we already know that...;) Nelson, Vargas & Bonilla should fight over the 2nd spot .
     
  25. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    1. Ospina - 23(24 in August)
    2. Mondragon - 40
    3. Camilo Vargas - 22
     

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