2/22/03: Poor Grahame

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by jmeissen0, Feb 22, 2003.

  1. soccertim

    soccertim Member

    Mar 29, 2001
    Mass
    Here's a quote I hoped to never see...

    "Nine of the Burn's first 11 games will be on artificial turf, including games at home, at Chicago's Cardinal Stadium and at Giants Stadium, where FieldTurf is being installed to replace the notoriously beat-up grass pitch. "
     
  2. VON9905

    VON9905 New Member

    Aug 27, 2002
    Huntsville, AL, USA
    Re: Re: 2/22/03: Poor Grahame

    Give it up already. FieldTurf is not that bad. How may times do you have to have people tell you that before you realize it. Or do you just like to get folks like me to post on a Saturday about fake grass,lol.


    -VON
     
  3. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. jmeissen0

    jmeissen0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2001
    page 1078
    Re: Re: Re: 2/22/03: Poor Grahame

    to be honest, i imagine people will stop with it once the players say they prefer it to grass or think it's the same
     
  5. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Re: Re: 2/22/03: Poor Grahame

    which they haven't.
     
  6. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the Dallas article wasn't clear (to me anyway):

    could the burn end up playing in a 7,200 capacity stadium?

    that's what it sounded like
     
  7. art

    art Member

    Jul 2, 2000
    Portland OR
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Bradley, meanwhile, was glad that there were no reporters or soccer media present at the bar.
    "I don’t want to see what I say here wind up on the Internet three hours from now," he told the crowd."

    Lol.
     
  8. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Look around bs and you may find the rumour (fact?) that the seats at Dragon stadium are numbered 10 to a bench, and that the team plans to renumber them to 15 per bench. Apparently, soccer fans butts are smaller than football fan butts.

    So, the number of seats being talked about here is really small...and not the lions share of the expansion possibilities.

    Given that all that is needed to override this is 6 of 7 southlake council people, and the apparent overwhelming support they had to go into this place, it'll probably pass.
     
  9. Haig

    Haig Member+

    May 14, 2000
    METROSTARS
    Club:
    --other--

    You've really figured out the irony there, haven't you, Clouseau.

    Vrusho, who has been a big friend of the ESC from way back, and is one of the most seriously underrated sportswriters around, didn't report on the things that Bradley wanted to keep schtum. You don't know what was said, and you won't know, but the ESC has a nice bit of publicity, and Bradley's confidence has been kept.
     
  10. myshap

    myshap Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I'm terrible at math so someone correct me if my calculations aren't correct.

    If the rumor that Jeremy posted is correct, where they add an extra 5 seats to the benches. Then the total number of seats will be 12,470 plus how many people they can fit in the press box and in standing room only areas(that's an unknown to me). Here's how I came to that number and where ya'll can pick me apart because I'm not sure if I worked the problem right or not.

    There are 7,500 seats in dragon stadium. 1600 are permant club seats. That leaves 5,900 bleacher seats. If there are 10 seats per bench that means there are 590 benches. Adding 5 seats per bench would mean there would be an additional 2,950 seats. Add in the expansion of 2020 behind the goals and along the south side, that adds 4,970 new seats. Add the 4,970 new seats to the 7,500 at leaves seating capacity at 12,470.

    7,500-1600=5,900
    5,900/10=590
    590*5=2,950
    2950+2020+7500=12,470
     
  11. JCUnited

    JCUnited Member

    Oct 7, 2002
    South Bend, IN
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nobody will see this since it is a day late, but Jeff Bradley has written (at least twice) in his Best XI internet column that many MLS players have told him they do not like playing on Fieldturf at all. He says they tell him they are very worried about injuries and how the ball plays on the turf. He even wrote that he has played on it and does not like it at all.

    That is as close to the pro response as we will likely get, so judging Fieldturf on that, it doesn't sound too good. Thankfully it sounds like Dallas and New York will possibly be playing in their own SSS soon, plus Chicago will be back at Soldier Field next year.
     
  12. Fanaddict

    Fanaddict Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    streamwood IL USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chicago will be back in soldier field at the end of this season.
     
  13. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Re: 2/22/03: Poor Grahame

    VON9905
    FieldTurf Sales Rep
    Dial
    1-800-FAKE-CRAP

    I was on the field at the Dallas exhibition game on Saturday. It may not (or it may) give you a carpet burn when you slide - but it ain't nothing like real grass.
     
  14. Bambule GK

    Bambule GK New Member

    Aug 16, 2000
    The ATL
    Haig,

    While I'm sure what you say is true (about confidence kept and whatnot), that was still a pretty funny way for him to write that up.

    At any rate, it was an interesting read.
     
  15. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He'll never come out of the "seriously underrated sports writer" category if he plays the patsy to a coach like that.

    If he's a friend of the supporters, he doesn't write anything on the event. If he's sports writer, he does his job and reports on what he heard.

    Pretty simple to me.
     
  16. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, as I understand it from one of the Burn's VPs, the aisles between the sections (whatever they're called -- the place where you walk up and down the stands) are incredibly wide at Dragon Stadium, about twice as the ones at the Cotton Bowl.

    Take a look at this picture (courtesy of Yellow Card Journalism picture service) and you'll see what I'm talking about:

    http://www.ibiblio.org/footy/2003/0111_dragon/DragonStadium_006.jpg

    Compare the size of the players to the size of the vertical aisles. Notice how large those aisles are?

    The plan, as I understood it, was to cut those aisles in width by putting in longer benches.

    Voila! More seats! I don't know if that'll get them an extra five seats per row, but it'll get them a couple per row.
    It'll pass because someone from the school board will go into the city council meeting and say, "We're running a deficit, and if you overturn our agreement with Hunt Sports, you'll be depriving us of $200,000-250,000 per year."

    This is not to say that the city council won't put some conditions on the deal (like making Carroll ISD and Hunt Sports find more parking spaces for Burn games), but it'll pass.
     
  17. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, it's probably more like 15 seats per bench and they'd probably be able to add 2 seats per bench:

    7,500 - 1,600 = 5,900
    5,900 / 15 = ~400
    400 * 2 = 800

    7,500 + 2,020 + 800 = 10,320

    The added capacity come either from lengthening the stands across from the press box or the small grassy areas in the corners or both.
     

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