1st leg UEFA Cup: Werder v Braga [R]

borowski is substituted on for hunt

 

Diego out, Ozil in...

 

Almeida makes it 3:0 with a penalty in stoppage time.

FT.

 

3-0 FT Congrats to Werder

 

Linz just admitted he dove on the first penalty in an interview.

The 2nd penalty was even more bogus imo.

 

My MOTM Tim Wiese.

(captain obvious to the rescue)

 

Two gifts for Braga but Wiese proved to be a party-pooper.
Good result but not satisfied with our game at all. Didn't do enough in the second half althouh the opponent sucked.

 

Yes, original comment:

Reporter: "Was it justice, that you missed the penalty?"
Linz (Braga player): "It was no penalty, but if you have a penalty in an away game you must use it."
Reporter: "Some player admit, that they dove ..."
Linz: "I don´t know any player".

The best was the interview with Wiese.

Wiese: "I punched the ball away and this bird (he means the Braga player)
layed over me and the referee decided penalty ...
I have seen many blind referees, but the one today was the worst of it."

He´s right, the team played well (especally in first half) and the joke of
a referee nearly destroyed everything. The Braga penalties were all divings
and he must have given two penalties for us. The one he gave (hand in penalty area)
and the one where Diego was fouled in the Braga penalty area.
But no need to complain about it, it seems to be destiny in this year, that
the referees cheat us. Today Tim Wiese gladly made justice and played another very good match.
He made three saved penalties within 4 days and showed a very consistent performance over the last 3 years.
As i said before in another thread: before you make the young inexperienced keepers
candiates for the NT, you should take a look to Werder and give Wiese (who is quite young) a chance.

edit: match report at Werder.de (German)

 

Low should seriously consider making Wiese the number 1 goalie at Euro 2008

 

No, he shouldn't.
Adler played as good and Enke is as good week in and out.

Wiese is too inconsistent.

 

Just saw the last ~5 minutes of the Leverkusen game. Heard that Adler made a good game but just saw that one situation when Nonda nearly scored after a mistake made by Adler.

 

I think we've got this tie in the bag, unless Werder screw up in Portugal.

I'm interested to see how far we'll go this year.

But I honestly don't think we have what it takes to win it.

 

So fans and supporters alike should not comment on their opinion on whether a penalty was valid or not because that shows lack of class?? Funny, I thought that was what forums are for...

 

Little class, c´mon, i just want to discuss the match
and i can´t stand it to see ref mistakes against my team
(and i have seen some in the past weeks).

I accept, that you have your point of view, i have mine.
Here it is.
At the first one there was no contact (Linz even said in ZDF,
that he dove as Fräulein stated before (that´s unnormal/brave
for a prof footballer)), at the 2nd one the Braga player
was too stupid to go for the ball and felt over our keeper,
who tried to stand up. The penalty call´s a joke, in Italy
there can be discussed about such scenes, but not elsewhere.

About the foul against Diego we don´t need to discuss, clear penalty.
Btw. you said, that we have no class, because we want to discuss.
What about the Braga, that kicked Diego after the foul, that´s no class.
The given penalty was hand ball. The Ball touched the hand of the Braga player
and the face of Mertesacker. Contact between hand and ball in penalty area,
unnormal hand movement (hand was in front of Mertesackers face), so deserved penalty.

btw:
The only classless comment was the one of a Spanish friend.
I told her, that we play Braga today and she started laughing,
because "braga" means underwear in Spanish.

 

Little class, c´mon, i just want to discuss the match
and i can´t stand it to see ref mistakes against my team
(and i have seen some in the past weeks).

I accept, that you have your point of view, i have mine.
Here it is.
At the first one there was no contact (Linz even said in ZDF,
that he dove as Fräulein stated before (that´s unnormal/brave
for a prof footballer)), at the 2nd one the Braga player
was too stupid to go for the ball and felt over our keeper,
who tried to stand up. The penalty call´s a joke, in Italy
there can be discussed about such scenes, but not elsewhere.

About the foul against Diego we don´t need to discuss, clear penalty.
Btw. you said, that we have no class, because we want to discuss.
What about the Braga, that kicked Diego after the foul, that´s no class.
The given penalty was hand ball. The Ball touched the hand of the Braga player and the face of Mertesacker. Contact between hand and ball in penalty area, unnormal hand movement (hand was in front of Mertesackers face), so deserved penalty.

 

Cause he saved 3 pk's within 4 days? Well, that's really impressive ... but surely no criteria for getting a national team nomination.

Congrats on the 3:0 against Braga! The referee was blind ... at least he did see the last-second handball in the box, though.

 

I would appreciate it if some one could post some highlights please!!

 

excellent game

pretty good result

and super good goalkeeper....he saved 2 penalties....it was really fantastic performance of your GK!!!!

 

@Penaltys:

First one was Fritz fault... yes, it was a dive, but Fritz left his foot in Linz way, it was already tough to see with multiple camera angles and slow motion that he didn't actually touch Linz, I'm pretty sure what the referee saw was a clear penalty, and he has to give it then.

Second one was another thing, Bragas player ran into Wiese, if anything I'd say Wiese was fouled. The ref probably thought that Wiese hold the other player, which was not the case... Only really bad referee decision in my opinion.

The foul on Diego was the clearest penalty in the match, but the referee was not in a good position to see it. A mistake, but things like this will always happen, and I'd rather have the referees not calling a penalty when in doubt.

The handball was a handball, not much to discuss about.

To sum it up: please give the referees some slack... It is inevitable that the referee makes errors, since he does not have multiple angles and slow motion, he can just decide on what he sees. Of course it sucks if a match is decided by a wrong decision, but in most cases I see I don't think you can blame the referees, they just decide on what they saw, and they can't see as much as the tv audience can.

 

Diving is classless.

German tv interviewed Linz and he admitted that he dove on the play. That's what happenend and that's what I wrote. I really don't think that's classless in any way. Still, it was hard to see for the referee because Firtz did stick his leg out (even though Linz admitted he didn't touch him) so I give him the benefit of the doubt.
The 2nd decison was much worse. They showed a lot of replays on German tv. Wiese clearly didn't "wrap his legs around him".

I feel strongly about dives and referees rewarding players for stuff like that because it destroys the game imo. It's the biggest problem for football imo. I've written the same in these forums about German players and German clubs.

The handball was clear as can be and Diego should have also gotten a penalty. I know it's not nice to lose 0:3 and your team can probably play much better but coming here like this shows lack of class imo and not what I wrote.
If you feel bad about that, so be it.