I am not denying that, but those advantages do not demean the trophy any less. its cangrejismo at its core, to belittle an achievement by mere circumstance. do you think the peru 2005 was a better achievement than 2011 u17 world cup at home?
I'm not belittling any trophy. I'm just saying that there is more merit in winning something outside of your country for the simple reason that the odds are usually against you And yeas i rate the 05 win higher because it was won abroad Not saying the 11 was not a great win
I also should mention, that the home team has the disadvantage of the added pressure to win at home. they have to over come that obstacle that any of the visiting teams do not have.
Valid point but stats do suggest that the host teams will do better And just like you say that they have more added pressure, i can say that they have added support/motivation that the other nations do not
well not really, did you see the stands in the olympic final? that was alot of mexicans in wembley btw I wanna see these stats you speak off, from just looking at the world cup stats, how many host countries won the world cup?
I personally think that both wins were historic, and like you said great wins. neither are any better than the other. one just has the circumstance of being played abroad. I just wanted to point out the faulty logic in some people statements here, that because the confed cup was won at home, then the olympic medal is worth more. I personally think the olympic medal is a bigger achievement, but not for the reason above.
That being said it was bullshit that Lebrija did what he did. You´re right that everyone expected for Meza to be great but the thing wasn´t bad and he was actively campaigning for Meza. I remember before the Hershey qualifiers when Mexico didn´t get a bye to it and had to play the round before that in Guadalajara and beat Jamaica 5-0 and Lapuente and Lebrija where shown on TV going at it. It was pathetic. They blamed Lapuente for the elimination to the olympics even though it was Gustavo Vargas coaching that team. Then the Gold cup and the loss to Trinidad but Meza was just terrible almost from the start. Chima Ruiz playing almost every game and sucking almost 95% of the time is the best example. Plus that shows how Toluca is bullshit. The height totally masks things like our own Bolivia. That´s why players like Zinha and Avion Calderon can look great there and only there and suck completely in international games.
If you're talking about me than you should re-read my original post It's not just about playing home But whatever everyone has their own opinion
At FIFA tournaments, the host nation is often handed a seeding advantage. In the first round in 1999, the other teams in Mexico's group were Saudi Arabia, Bolivia and Egypt. Brazil and Germany were both in the other group.
Yeah it does, 1/3 of the time the host nation wins the world cup that is a pretty good stat, add to that other host nations had their best world cups when playing at home like Mexico in 1970 and 1986, Korea and Japan in 2002, Sweden in 1958, there is a reason why it's called home advantage. But keep living in your dream world where unicorns are real, playing at home is harder because of extra pressure, and lavolpe is a great coach.
you understand that they played against other 31 other teams since 1998, right? do the odds on that. or even other 15 since 1934, or other 23 since 1982, do the math 1 the host gets 1/3 of the pie, the other 31 have to split the the other 2/3.
didnt know 7 games equaled beating 31 teams and since 1998, out of 4 world cups, the host won only one thats 1/4 that stat is getting worse and worse
Always spinning huh? A world cup is a competition of 32 you can spin it all you like but that is a fact. But then again a "thing" that thinks Lavolpe is a great manager when he only won a league in almost 40 years as a manager is not something that looks into facts, right?
well, one way to look at lavolpe's career, is to evaluate his performance for la seleccion Mexicana, and also put in contrast how his predecessor and successor performed, and it seems like Lavolpe not only won silverware, but helped get our players to europe in the great 2006 exodus. Mexico owes lavolpe to were it is. but thats another topic for another thread, and your need to bring lavolpe, or other irrelevant topics to this thread is because you cannot back up your own statement.
Yeah like I said and unicorns are real, home advantage is a myth and lavolpe is a great manager. We owe that matherfawker nothing if anything he owes us four years, four years I never get back........... but I better stop arguing with a deluded thing is not heathy.
this tells me you have not read this whole thread........... find my post were I make that statement? you are a cool poster but if you think you need to resort to ad hominem to prove your point even after it has been proven false, its pathetic
For Mexican sports? It was huge winning the gold. On an international FiFA level- I say the confed cup Nigeria, Cameroon and Poland have won gold in the Olympics.