Lets go back to the 1960's. This was the time of Pele and others. Infact, it was a decade of true soccer legends. Lets focus on a time period between 1958-1970. This period surely illustrated the best of the 1960's. Three Great Brazilian Teams of 58, 62 and 70. An England World Cup winning team of 66. How about the "Great Inter" team of the early-mid 60's. And finally the Man Utd of 67-69. Lets look at a balanced and legendary 1960's Decade All Star Lineup: Formation Used: 4-3-3 Yashin- Facchetti, Moore, Djalama Santos, Carlos Alberto- Gerson, Suarez-Charlton- Garrinchia, Pele, Best ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GOALKEEPER 1. LEV YASHIN (USSR) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- LEFT BACK 2. GIACINTO FACCHETTI (ITALY) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- CENTER BACK 5. BOBBY MOORE (ENGLAND) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CENTER BACK (He played both CB and RB) 4. DJALAMA SANTOS (BRAZIL) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RIGHT BACK 3. CARLOS ALBERTO (BRAZIL) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CENTER MIDFIELD 6. LUIS SUAREZ (SPAIN) (He played all CM, AM and FW) 8. GERSON (BRAZIL) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ATTACKING MIDFIELD 17. BOBBY CHARLTON (ENGLAND) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- LEFT WING 7. GEORGE BEST (NORTHERN IRELAND) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CENTER FORWARD 10. PELE (BRAZIL) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RIGHT WING 11. GARRINCHIA (BRAZIL) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BENCH: EUSEBIO (CF) (PORTUGAL), DZAIJC (LW) (YUGOSLAVIA), JAIRZINHO (RW) (BRAZIL), RIVIERIA (AM) (ITALY), BURGNICH (RB) (ITALY), BECKENBAUER (CB) (WEST GERMANY), BANKS (G) (ENGLAND). I HAVE TO SAY.... FANTASTIC SQUAD !!!
Why do you think Djalma Santos played as centre-back?, I don't remember him any single time playing there. On the other hand, Carlos Alberto played as centre-back during his spell in New York Cosmos but just only during the late 70's.
1960's: Decade All-Southamerican Champions 1960: Peñarol Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1961: Peñarol Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1961: Peñarol Champion of the Copa Intercontinental 1962: Brazil Winner of the World Cup 1962: Santos Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1962: Santos Champion of the Copa Intercontinental 1963: Santos Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1963: Santos Champion of the Copa Intercontinental 1963: Bolivia Winner of the Copa America 1964: Independiente Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1965: Independiente Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1966: Peñarol Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1966: Peñarol Champion of the Copa Intercontinental 1967: Uruguay Winner of the Copa America 1967: Racing Club Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1967: Racing Club Champion of the Copa Intercontinental 1968: Estudiantes de La Plata Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1968: Estudiantes de La Plata Champion of the Copa Intercontinental 1969: Estudiantes de La Plata Champion of the Copa Libertadores Total: Argentina 7 titles Uruguay 6 Brazil 5 Bolivia 1 Here are some of uruguayan soccer players who stood out in that decade: Ladislao Mazurkiewicz, Néstor Goncálvez, Roberto Matosas, Luis Cubilla, Julio César Abbadie, Pablo Forlán, Emilio Álvarez, Pedro Virgilio Rocha, etc, etc, etc, ...
Djalma Santos did play as a CB at the start of his career. He then transfered to RB. Carlos Alberto also played CB, but then again in 1970 (most important year for him) he played RB. Either way, Santos was adjusted, however not beyond realism.
Very good list of players ! With all respect, I don't think any of these names could replace the 1960's All Stars, or even the bench? Do you agree? If not, show me a player. 1950's All Stars would have some Uruguayan players for sure, not so much 60's I think.
It's not true mate, when Djalma Santos debuted with Brazil in the early 50's he didn't play as a centre-back, but as a right full-back. Since he played in the 1953, 1956 and 1957 editions of the Copa America he played in that role, probably confusing if you read in a tactical drawing that he was part of a 2-men defensive line, but, actually, Brazil at that time had an ultra-offensive style and used the player that in the drawing was the central midfielder as the only centre-back. For example, in the 1953 Copa America that role was played by the Sao Paulo's defensive midfielder José Carlos Bauer, Haroldo was the player who attended behind as "zagueiro" and Djalma played by right more oriented to what is a modern side-back than a centre-back. This tactical style was also used in the 1954 FIFA World Cup being the midfielder Brandaozinho the player who covered the role of the centre-back. I know mate, he was mainly a right-back. The reason I mention he also played as centre-back is because if you want to select both of them (Carlos Alberto and Djalma Santos) at the same time by greatness seems me more reasonable to put Carlos Alberto as centre-back because he actually played there in a 4-men defensive line.
1980's: Decade All-Southamerican Champions 1980: Nacional (URU) Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1980: Nacional (URU) Champion of the Copa Intercontinental 1980: Uruguay Champion of World Cup Winners 1981: Flamengo Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1981: Flamengo Champion of the Copa Intercontinental 1982: Peñarol Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1982: Peñarol Champion of the Copa Intercontinental 1983: Gremio Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1983: Gremio Champion of the Copa Intercontinental 1983: Uruguay Winner of the Copa America 1984: Independiente Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1984: Independiente Champion of the Copa Intercontinental 1985: Argentinos Juniors Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1986: Argentina Winner of the World Cup 1986: River Plate Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1986: River Plate Champion of the Copa Intercontinental 1987: Peñarol Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1987: Uruguay Winner of the Copa America 1988: Nacional (URU) Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1988: Nacional (URU) Champion of the Copa Intercontinental 1989: Nacional (COL) Champion of the Copa Libertadores 1989: Brazil Winner of the Copa America Total: Uruguay 10 titles Argentina 6 Brazil 5 Colombia 1 Here are some of uruguayan soccer players who stood out in that decade: Rodolfo Rodríguez, Hugo De León, Darío Pereyra, Fernando Morena, Rubén Paz, Jorge Da Silva, Enzo Francescoli, Antonio Alzamendi, Carlos Aguilera, Pablo Bengoechea, Ruben Sosa, etc, etc, etc, ... ...
Good tactical info. Yeah, I want both of them on my 1960's defensive line. They just simply cannot be left out. I am happy there is a way to put them together.
Both C.Alberto and D.Santos were able to play as either RB or CB. Alberto was a bit better in attack on the flank though. D.Santos was like Thuram a very solid DF and reliable.
Yes he was. I just finished watching the 1970 World Cup Final and I noticed that C. Alberto on that flank was probably the man of the match.
Starting Lineup: YASHIN ---- MOORE ----- SCHNELLINGER - D. SANTOS ---------------------------------- FACCHETTI MACKAY CHARLTON -------- SUÁREZ - GARRINCHA ------------ PELÉ -------------- BEST ---- Substitutes: - BANKS, Gordon (England) - GILMAR (Brazil) - VASOVIC, Velibor (Yugoslavia) - CARLOS ALBERTO (Brazil) - MARZOLINI, Silvio (Argentina) - ZITO (Brazil) - GÉRSON (Brazil) - MASOPUST, Josef (Czechoslovakia) - RIVERA, Gianni (Italy) - SÍVORI, Omar (Argentina) - DZAJIC, Dragan (Yugoslavia) - EUSÉBIO (Portugal) - SEELER, Uwe (Germany)
Yashin D Santos-Moore-Marzolini-Fachetti Best-Charlton-Dzaijc Pele Garrincha-Eusebio Mazurkewic and Rocha would be on an all-decade squad.
Ahh the 60's, arguably the golden age of football. This my 60's team (bolded names are untouchable): ------------------------Yashin ---D.Santos---Carlos Alberto----Moore------Facchetti -------------Mackay----------Luis Suarez ---Garrincha-------Pele--------Eusebio-------Best 2nd team: ------------------Banks/Mazurkiewiczs ------Marzolini----Perfumo---Vasovic----Schnellinger ------------Zito/Stiles-----Rivera/Gerson Omar Sivori---Charlton/Pedro Rocha---Spencer/Greaves/Law---Dzajic
I don't think so mate (maybe just only sporadically). In 1974 (during his last months with Santos) he got a persistent injury knee that kept him inactive and made him miss the FIFA World Cup that year. When he returned he had been transferred to Fluminense and just only there he was converted in a regular centre-back because he lost his dynamic to move by the band after recovery. He started to play as centre-back in 1975 playing for Fluminense exploiting his ability to read the game, there he had still a very good period being part of the team called "A Máquina Tricolor" and won twice the Campeonato Carioca.
I could be wrong but I think Marzolini never played as right-back, with the exception of some emergency. He was a close left-footed who played as left-back. Also as a replacement for Zito I'd appoint to Voronin and Rattín in a second lineup.
First, i agree that Carlos Alberto could be selected as RB or CB, but in this last one role, he only get 1 international-class season, and that's is said too much. About Djalma Santos, i agree that he only played as Right Back in a 3 backline (53-57: Brazil using mostly WM) and in a 4 backline (58-66: Brazil using mostly 4-2-4). BTW, in the mid 50s, the centerback in the Selecao was Pinheiro (same generation of Mauro & Bellini, i also read old articles considering Pinheiro as best CB -in skillset i though- than the other two) and the lateral defenders were Djalma & Nilton Santos, in a 3-men deffensive line. They were starters in the Copa America 1953 & the World Cup 1954
I know mate, the mention it's only to support the idea how would be more reasonable to put Carlos Alberto as centre-back than Djalma Santos. How do you draw the Brazilian lineup for the 1953 Copa America and the 1954 FIFA World Cup mate?
From my mind and drawing a WM system, it would be: ------------ Castilho D.Santos ----- Pinheiro ----- N.Santos ----- Bauer ------ Brandaozinho ------- Didi ---------- Pinha Julinho ----- Baltazar ----- Rodrigues
Are you sure mate? What I know about their lineups is that in the 1953 Copa America Bauer and Brandaozinho played together just only in the final match because an injury of Danilo Alvim and Zizinho was still playing as right inside-forward. Also that they was using an atypical 2-3-5 / 3-2-5 tactical system putting to Nílton Santos as left wing-half. Something like this: CASTILHO D. SANTOS ------------------ PINHEIRO BAUER - D. ALVIM ------------------- N. SANTOS ZIZINHO -------- PINGA - -- JULINHO --------- BALTAZAR -------- RODRIGUES Then, they had started to use the 3-2-2-3 system to the 1954 FIFA World Cup already with Nílton Santos as left full-back, Didí as right inside-forward, but Brandaozinho as centre-back between him and Djalma Santos and Pinheiro alongside Bauer in the midfield.
According this link http://www.rsssfbrasil.com/sel/brazil195356.htm There was no clear starter between Danilo / Brandaozinho and between Didi / Zizinho, even Ipojucan played various matches instead Baltazar in that Copa America. In the forward line, i agree with you in the tactical system. BTW, how can you put the G in the #10 name, because my post was banned for a bad word In the backline, i'm sure that Pinheiro was the centerback, all sources & articles i read said that. http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/João_Carlos_Batista_Pinheiro At that time, all SA teams used 3-2-5 (WM system), also Peru did. Maybe Uruguay don't, but i'm not so sure about their tactic in 1953. Danilo was clearly a Centerhalf in the classical mould of the Pyramid System. Most South American teams, still tried to remain that role (Pipo Rossi is a good example) and to help him in midfield job, the #5 had a free role mid as a partner, i mean someone who run more than anybody and cover their partners. So, in that Copa America the partnership was: Bauer - Danilo (Brandaozinho)
An old trick, test it quoting this message: PINGA It's funny in an English forum . I know mate, sounds logical because Pinheiro was a centre-back and Danilo Alvim a centre-half, but somewhere I read the disorder of the tactical system of Brazil there. Check how are represented the Brazilian lineups here: http://www.rsssf.com/tables/53safull.html
que buena!!!!!!!!! I also see something similar in the brazilian list of intl. matches at RSSSF. But is obvious for me that the inclusion of "-" drawing the system was wrongly used. Mainly because any NT used more 2-3-5 w/exception of Uruguay. The correct way would be put "-" a one player after, i mean after the third player listed (excluding GK). The exceptions are Paraguay & Chile NT (Gavilan & Cortes were clearly DM) and of course Uruguay (the only one who used 2-3-5) Source: Peruvian newspaper, La Prensa from 1953 (National Library)
I think Nílton Santos and Didi are more 50s players than 60s, aren't they? This is my squad - still just a draft (haven't given it any hard thoughts yet): DEFENSE 1) GK: Lev Yashin/Gordon Banks 2) RB: Djalma Santos/Carlos Alberto Torres 3) CB: Bobby Moore 4) CB: ? 6) LB: Giacinto Fachetti/Silvio Marzolini MIDFIELD 5) DM: Zito/Piazza 8) CM: Gérson/Ademir da Guia 11) AM: Rivellino/Charlton/Dirceu Lopes 10) AM: Pelé/George Best ATTACK 7) Garrincha/Tostão 9) ST: Eusébio/Coutinho/Vavá Sorry, mates.... but the 60s were the Brazilian Golden Era of football - 70 to 80% of such squad would have to be formed by Brazilian players necessarily.