11/9/04: Link Up

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by GPK, Nov 9, 2004.

  1. The Magpie

    The Magpie Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Cambridge, MA
    God, Paul Gardner is ********ing clueless, and a Euro-snob sychophant at that; the dinosaur should do everyone a service and put down his pen for good.
     
  2. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't disagree with Gardner on this one.
     
  3. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Me neither. Gardner sometimes has the habit of running away with his valid points until he loses the general plot. But I didn't really see it here.

    Oh, and he's not a Euro-snob, but rather a Brazilo-snob. And his vision of the beautiful game is frankly a drum that someone should beat, even though Gardner often doesn't play it well and is too much of a one-note song.

    (Well, that metaphor got stretched to the breaking point).
     
  4. subbuteo

    subbuteo New Member

    Dec 17, 2002
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. PZ

    PZ Member

    Apr 11, 1999
    Michiana
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At least Grahame Jones reflects LAG fans opinions for a change.
     
  6. numerista

    numerista New Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    Gardner (NY Sun piece in GPK's list) opens by pronouncing the MLS season "disjointed." To illustrate, he declares that "no one team managed to impose itself, to play consistently winning soccer." Immediately thereafter, he reverses course by bringing up the Crew's unbeaten streak. This leads into a tangent about Alex Prus's less-than-draconian refereeing, and things meander off from there.

    Eventually, he does make one or two interesting points, and his discussion of the Galaxy is actually pertinent to his initial claim. But heaven help us if MLS ever has a season as disjointed as Gardner's article.
     
  7. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Well, OK, valid, but that's mostly a style issue. Had he said "Case in point, Columbus started out crappy, went 18 games unbeaten, and then blew it royally in the playoffs," it would have been hard to argue with. Perhaps, though, introducing the comment about the red card might be interpreted as tangential to a review of the season, but still.
     
  8. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, Gardner's point about "consistent winning soccer" doesn't necessarily apply to the Columbus unbeaten streak. Stat geeks: how many of those games were ties? And, would you really put them in the category that Gardner is thinking of, the sort of team that dominates their league? Of course not.

    That was actually the closest thing to fairness that I've seen out of the guy in quite some time. His analysis of the Galaxy situation was 100% correct, and he gave credit where it was due. I don't have a problem with this piece at all.
     
  9. numerista

    numerista New Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    This might hold water if Gardner himself hadn't described it as "an exception," terming it "a splendid 18-game unbeaten streak."

    Stan -- you're right that I'm mainly taking issue with Gardner's style. With other writers, I wouldn't bother, but it's just too ironic that the great American soccer aesthete should pay so little attention to his own craft.
     
  10. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    So you are suggesting that firing one of the most successful coaches in league history and replacing him with a close personal friend of the GM who has failed at every professional job he has ever had was the right move for the Galaxy?
     
  11. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True enough. I guess I was missing your point.
     
  12. okcomputer

    okcomputer Member

    Jun 25, 2003
    dc
    Does anyone have the logon for the north jersey paper?
     
  13. Lanky134

    Lanky134 New Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    134, 3, 6
  14. usagoal

    usagoal Member

    Oct 19, 2000
    Las Vegas
    id: njmjnj
    password: esoxah

    found it on http://bugmenot.com :D
     

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