100 Greatest Players Of all time according to Wiliam Phil Gracek

carlito86 · May 23, 2025

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 23, 2025

carlito86 said: ↑

In Williams ‘defence’ it’s always interesting to see how controversial top 100 all time lists can be and how you can never really please everybody

And as critical as I have been of William
others have been just as critical if not more of people as great as Pelé

Pele angers Brazilians
March 2004

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For Pelé to say he could’ve made a top 100 all time list with only Brazilian players is as bizarre as it can possibly get but I guess he was just trying to save face at this point (in front of his countryman and press)

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For a country as small as the Netherlands
Including 13 of their players in a top 100 all time list is ridiculously high IMO
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on Gerson ...Left foot ...

well , i saw so many many interviews Of Gerson ...

in the start of the him career ..

He was left -fullback ....... defender like Ferenc Puskas ... between .. 1943-1946 . was also

he tackles very very badly ......

himself ... says this on Gerson ..

on the another hand :
Ferenc Puskas tackles pretty good ..

well ..

Garrincha ;
Vukas
Eusebio ..
so many many other players ..

they humiliated younger Gerson in the full matches,,

in general

afterwards

he went to midfield

to play as a playmaker..

but honestly

Luis Suarez Miramontes..
and Pedro Rocha..
Rivera

for example

were more players

than Gerson

in World Cup 1970

Gerson played in the Dream-Team

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 23, 2025

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yes ... Wiliam Phil Gracek's Face hahaha !!

i have to admit this at all hahaha !!

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 23, 2025

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Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 23, 2025

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1 September 1960 Stadio Municipal, Fiorence
Ref: P.Schwinte (Fra) HT: 0-1
ITALY 3 (Rossano 2, Rivera)
BRAZIL 1 (Waldir)
Italy: Alfieri - Burgnich, Trebbi, Tumburus - Salvadore, Trapattoni -
Rancati, Ferrini, Fanello, Rossano, Rivera.
Brazil: Carlos Alberto - Nono, Decio, Dari, Roberto Dias - Rubens II,
Gerson - Wanderley, Paulinho Ferreira, China, Waldir.

carlito86 · May 23, 2025

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 23, 2025

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Country: Croatia
Club: HNK Hajduk Split
Number: 10
Position: *AMF, SS, CF, WF, (CMF)
Side: RF/BS
Age: 23-28 years (01/05/1927)

Height: 170 cm
Weight: 70 kg

Attack: 92
Defence: 55
Balance: 79
Stamina: 88
Top Speed: 84
Acceleration: 91
Response: 83
Agility: 90
Dribble Accuracy: 96
Dribble Speed: 85
Short Pass Accuracy: 88
Short Pass Speed: 74
Long Pass Accuracy: 83
Long Pass Speed: 75
Shot Accuracy: 90
Shot Power: 82
Shot Technique: 91
Free Kick Accuracy: 76
Curling: 78
Header: 74
Jump: 78
Technique: 93
Aggression: 84
Mentality: 88
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 85

Injury Tolerance: A
Condition: 5
Weak Foot Accuracy: 7
Weak Foot Frequency: 7
Consistency: 7
Growth type: Standard/Lasting

CARDS:
S01 - Marauding
S03 - 1-on-1 Finish
S15 - Shoulder Feint Skills
S19 - Scissors Skills
S21 - Step On Skills
P03 - Trickster
P05 - Mazing Run
P17 - Chasing Back
P18 - Talisman

SPECIAL ABILITIES: Dribbling - Reaction - Playmaking - Scoring - 1-1 Scoring

Vukas !

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 23, 2025

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Eusebio ... could be playing with them ,... in 1970 .. "!

carlito86 · May 23, 2025

Wiliam Felipe Gracek said: ↑

Eusebio ... could be playing with them ,... in 1970 .. "!
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On PlayStation 40 years later

Portugal did not even qualify for the 1970 World Cup

There are also no indications Eusebio was even a world class player in 1969/70

He scored 20 goals in the Portuguese Primera division which is way way off his peak levels of goalscoring
He scored 4 goals in the European cup (all against Kjøbenhavns Boldklub)

And he finished 22nd place in the ballon dor(purely off reputation most likely)
No South Americans were even eligible for the ballon dor at this point in history

If they were it is conceivable he would’ve dropped out the rankings altogether

If the World Cup is really your barometer for greatness then excluding Gerson (who was actually pivotal for Brazil 1970) is really a major oversight

Pelé(Mr World Cup) knew he ********ed up when he did not include him but instead you are here just doubling down

it’s really sad

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 23, 2025

carlito86 said: ↑

On PlayStation 40 years later

Portugal did not even qualify for the 1970 World Cup

There are also no indications Eusebio was even a world class player in 1969/70

He scored 20 goals in the Portuguese Primera division which is way way off his peak levels of goalscoring
He scored 4 goals in the European cup (all against Kjøbenhavns Boldklub)

And he finished 22nd place in the ballon dor(purely off reputation most likely)
No South Americans were even eligible for the ballon dor at this point in history

If they were it is conceivable he would’ve dropped out the rankings altogether

If the World Cup is really your barometer for greatness then excluding Gerson (who was actually pivotal for Brazil 1970) is really a major oversight

Pelé(Mr World Cup) knew he ********ed up when he did not include him but instead you are here just doubling down

it’s really sad
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hahaha ... you're so dramatic ..at all hahaha "!

well ... Gerson ... good player at averages .. whole career ..

in 1970 was in Dream-team ...

carlito86 · May 23, 2025

Brazils ‘5th best player’ in WC 1970 was amazing in that tournament

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 23, 2025

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Brazils ‘5th best player’ in WC 1970 was amazing in that tournament

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i did it one video ... Lamine Yamal 17 years old now vs Ronaldinho's the famous prime 2004-2006 ...

the distance to favor Lamine Yamal is insane ... the quality to finishing

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 23, 2025

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Brazils ‘5th best player’ in WC 1970 was amazing in that tournament

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Frank73 · May 23, 2025

Wiliam Felipe Gracek said: ↑

yes....i saw Socrates ..walking drunk by my side ...next from the brazilian bar ..

well .. wasn't Secret to anyone in Brazil ..

in São Paulo city , Brazil .... region south zone ...Brooklin ... !
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32nd according to FourFourTwo and they don’t represent me nor do I represent them

They provide reasons for their inclusion and there is absolutely nothing they mention that convinces me that he has to be in a top 100 all time list
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He was a bohemian icon
He was a deep thinker
He was a formidable player in a great side that reached the WC QF
He was great at backheels
He was the best to ever play for Garforth town(a non league side in England)
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Of course one can well leave Socraes outside his top100 list, I recognize myself that he would be a sensible choice only if the list is based on some somewhat "general" meaning of "being the greatest", but dismissing him as a bohemian icon, belonging to pop culture much more than to the game, would be greatly inaccurate and misleading other than unfair.

There are goals that Romario would be extremely proud of in the footage below, other than acts of midfielder technique that make media-darling overrated Zidane look slightly above average.

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Wiliam Felipe Gracek said: ↑

1. Firstly

did You see and saw Pelé playing full matches ????

2. give-me smaller details on these full matches ????
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No one except Brazilians from the 1960s has ever seen Pelé play, except for watching a YouTube video. I've watched Messi regularly, and for me, there's no debate.
Pelé was arguably the best of his era (I don't doubt it), but that football was in its infancy, and its players wouldn't be considered professionals today.
I don't detract from his merit; that football was tougher and dirtier, but I've been searching for a very specific play and have had to watch many compilations of goals from the 1970s, and the defenses were a joke compared to today's. The physical preparation has nothing to do with today's, and even drug tests were practically nonexistent.

carlito86 · May 23, 2025

Frank73 said: ↑

Of course one can well leave Socraes outside his top100 list, I recognize myself that he would be a sensible choice only if the list is based on some somewhat "general" meaning of "being the greatest", but dismissing him as a bohemian icon, belonging to pop culture much more than to the game, would be greatly inaccurate and misleading other than unfair.

There are goals that Romario would be extremely proud of in the footage below, other than acts of midfielder technique that make media-darling overrated Zidane look slightly above average.

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To be able to score a few goals that Romário would be proud of or to produce moments of technique that make Zidane look slightly above average is all well and good.

But those are isolated moments. What made Romário and Zidane all time greats was not just their highlights
it was the frequency and consistency with which they produced them especially in career defining matches.

So the real question is
do the reasons Zidane and Romário are considered all-time greats apply exactly to Sócrates?

That’s the issue with YouTube compilations. Great players can all produce moments that resemble what the all time greats did.
What they can’t do is repeat them regularly in low stakes matches and/or deliver them reliably in high pressure matches or career defining games.

Now If you want to talk about real and meaningful highlights let’s talk
Why was the main highlight of Sócrates’ career reaching a World Cup quarter-final?
Why were Zidane’s highlights World Cup, Euro, and Champions League tournaments and many times finals where he regularly made decisive contributions?

Why was Sócrates never named the best player in South America, while Zidane was named the best player in the world three times?

Romário isn’t considered an all time great because the majority of his goals were extraordinary.
None of the most prolific goalscorers in history built their reputations off highlight reel goals alone.

Some scored more great goals than others, sometimes significantly more but in every single case the bulk of their goals were standard repeatable finishes.

And finally, regarding the “bohemian icon” and “free thinker” labels.
Those weren’t my mine mate

That was FourFourTwo your own source. I simply screenshotted their own words

If you’re going to reference them as evidence, you can’t ignore the parts that don’t help your argument.

Frank73 · May 23, 2025

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No one except Brazilians from the 1960s has ever seen Pelé play, except for watching a YouTube video. I've watched Messi regularly, and for me, there's no debate.
Pelé was arguably the best of his era (I don't doubt it), but that football was in its infancy, and its players wouldn't be considered professionals today.
I don't detract from his merit; that football was tougher and dirtier, but I've been searching for a very specific play and have had to watch many compilations of goals from the 1970s, and the defenses were a joke compared to today's. The physical preparation has nothing to do with today's, and even drug tests were practically nonexistent.
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Of course effevctiveness has tremendously improved, it is the case for every other human activity, why should football be the exception. But direct comparison of players from different ages of the sport is an hair above meaninglessness in my opinion. The whole game has changed, managers ask players to do different things, and consequently they are trained for enhancing a different set of skills. Perhaps even more important, environment has changed, you see nowadays balls rolling like on a billiard, while they used to bump like crazy still in the 80s (sometimes in the 90s). Players of the past used to wear boots that those of today would not use to do masonry works, and ball, once a stone, is now light and aerodynamically engineered. I remember a guy helding a TED conference who claimed technology has been even more decisive than improved training at bringing the spectacular amount of new WRs in track and field we have seen in the last two decades. Football could be the same. What one can do to be still able to practice the very entertaining art of all-time ranking is considering how much one player stood out in his own era, and classify players of different ages based on this. Thatis the reason why I personally value so much Brasil NT 82 and the brazilian "golden generation" (1975-85) in general: go fetch footages abd you'll see they looked like fresco painters among a bunch of house painters.

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 24, 2025

Frank73 said: ↑

Of course one can well leave Socraes outside his top100 list, I recognize myself that he would be a sensible choice only if the list is based on some somewhat "general" meaning of "being the greatest", but dismissing him as a bohemian icon, belonging to pop culture much more than to the game, would be greatly inaccurate and misleading other than unfair.

There are goals that Romario would be extremely proud of in the footage below, other than acts of midfielder technique that make media-darling overrated Zidane look slightly above average.

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yes ... I agree with you on Zidane ...

well, in 1995

I went to almost all of Santos FC's matches... in the 1995 Brazilian Championship... including that famous game against Fluminense 5 vs 2 to Santos FC ..

at the same time ..here in Brazil ...

There were

various news
about Zidane coming in Brazil ...1995-1996 ... Bordeaux season the last one

will he reach .. Michel Platini ???

there were surveys
at the time by Raí ..1..2...3

Italian

and television

channels
of closed
or paid channels in Brazil ..

well, at the time ...

nobody believed that Zinedine Zidane could surpass Platini ..

he was called a black cat

and a highly unlucky player

in Finals ..

ice cream ..
making 5 goals ... 5 assists per season only

But ..

really

later

at Real Madrid
and after World Cup Final 1998 .

Zidane became a media darling product and hyped

for his goal in the UEFA Champions League final ..

he became idolized by the generation of Carlito 86! forward or onwards

But for my generation

Zidane

was seen as being much worse

than Dennis Bergkamp

Fernando Redondo

Edgar Davids

Thuram

Matthias Sammer

Andy Moller

Ronaldo Nazario

Romario

Del Piero

Litmanen

Weah

Boban

Savicevic

Suker

Alan Shearer

Owen

etc..etc..

maybe even worse than

Clarence Seedorf ...

well , but Zidane at reality ...

was ...or became MVP Uefa Champions League ....
... Best player of the Tournament Euro-Cup 2000
....Best player of the World Cup .... 2006 Golden Ball player from this competition ..
....best player of the Final..... Uefa -Super-Cup ...
.... 2 x Mundiais Inter-Clubes ..... 1996 and 2002 ..

really ... numbers of Goals ..and Assists .... is very very sad to know about that thing...

but .. in Big Matches for less it ... happening ..some improvements ..

in all whole career ..

but ... comparing ...Zizou ...

with Platini
and
Zico ..

in Arsenal ..and tools ... Of finishing skills ..

Zizou ..stays Below from them ..

but i agree with you yes ..

Zidane ... has the media Power ..by side

Zidane .; and majority Of players .. 2000's ahead Has ...it ..

are machine .. that generate billions of dollars ..

so the media...tv ...press ...marketing ..etc ,, ..forgotten ..

players like Puskas ..Gerd Muller ...Socrates ...Gullit .... Zagallo ...Zito ...Edu ..

don't generates billion of dollars ... like Beckham ...does it ..

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 24, 2025

ffff15 said: ↑

Very poor list.
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Maradona's Lawyer at all and at Least hahahaha ????

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 24, 2025

carlito86 said: ↑

To be able to score a few goals that Romário would be proud of or to produce moments of technique that make Zidane look slightly above average is all well and good.

But those are isolated moments. What made Romário and Zidane all time greats was not just their highlights
it was the frequency and consistency with which they produced them especially in career defining matches.

So the real question is
do the reasons Zidane and Romário are considered all-time greats apply exactly to Sócrates?

That’s the issue with YouTube compilations. Great players can all produce moments that resemble what the all time greats did.
What they can’t do is repeat them regularly in low stakes matches and/or deliver them reliably in high pressure matches or career defining games.

Now If you want to talk about real and meaningful highlights let’s talk
Why was the main highlight of Sócrates’ career reaching a World Cup quarter-final?
Why were Zidane’s highlights World Cup, Euro, and Champions League tournaments and many times finals where he regularly made decisive contributions?

Why was Sócrates never named the best player in South America, while Zidane was named the best player in the world three times?

Romário isn’t considered an all time great because the majority of his goals were extraordinary.
None of the most prolific goalscorers in history built their reputations off highlight reel goals alone.

Some scored more great goals than others, sometimes significantly more but in every single case the bulk of their goals were standard repeatable finishes.

And finally, regarding the “bohemian icon” and “free thinker” labels.
Those weren’t my mine mate

That was FourFourTwo your own source. I simply screenshotted their own words

If you’re going to reference them as evidence, you can’t ignore the parts that don’t help your argument.
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consistency and longevity

the number one

enemy

of Brazilian players in general

of course with rare exceptions over time.

like Pelé ..Zito ...Zagallo .. Zico ..Gilmar dos Santos Neves ....Mauro Ramos ...Mauro Galvão ..
..Rogerio Ceni ...Casemiro ...etc ...etc..etc ...etc...etc..

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 24, 2025

Ayuda said: ↑

No one except Brazilians from the 1960s has ever seen Pelé play, except for watching a YouTube video. I've watched Messi regularly, and for me, there's no debate.
Pelé was arguably the best of his era (I don't doubt it), but that football was in its infancy, and its players wouldn't be considered professionals today.
I don't detract from his merit; that football was tougher and dirtier, but I've been searching for a very specific play and have had to watch many compilations of goals from the 1970s, and the defenses were a joke compared to today's. The physical preparation has nothing to do with today's, and even drug tests were practically nonexistent.
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well ....

well ,, scientifically your theory is not proven... here...on Earth and also on Mars

hahaha !!

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 24, 2025

Ayuda said: ↑

No one except Brazilians from the 1960s has ever seen Pelé play, except for watching a YouTube video. I've watched Messi regularly, and for me, there's no debate.
Pelé was arguably the best of his era (I don't doubt it), but that football was in its infancy, and its players wouldn't be considered professionals today.
I don't detract from his merit; that football was tougher and dirtier, but I've been searching for a very specific play and have had to watch many compilations of goals from the 1970s, and the defenses were a joke compared to today's. The physical preparation has nothing to do with today's, and even drug tests were practically nonexistent.
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Bullshit mate !

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 24, 2025

Ayuda said: ↑

No one except Brazilians from the 1960s has ever seen Pelé play, except for watching a YouTube video. I've watched Messi regularly, and for me, there's no debate.
Pelé was arguably the best of his era (I don't doubt it), but that football was in its infancy, and its players wouldn't be considered professionals today.
I don't detract from his merit; that football was tougher and dirtier, but I've been searching for a very specific play and have had to watch many compilations of goals from the 1970s, and the defenses were a joke compared to today's. The physical preparation has nothing to do with today's, and even drug tests were practically nonexistent.
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Did you come from Mars by the way of it ???

Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 24, 2025

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Wiliam Felipe Gracek · May 24, 2025

ffff15 said: ↑

Very poor list.
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Hands Of God yet History hahaha about it ???