100 Greatest Players Of all time according to Wiliam Phil Gracek

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Wiliam Felipe Gracek, May 20, 2025.

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the best Player OF all time on the whole World ?

  1. Edson Arantes Pelé

    22.7%
  2. Romário

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Ronaldo Nazario

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Didi Folha Seca

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Mané Garrincha

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Mario Jorge wolf Zagallo

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Ademir de Menezes

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Zico

    4.5%
  9. Zito

    4.5%
  10. Rivaldo

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Cruyff

    4.5%
  12. Gullit

    4.5%
  13. Other

    13.6%
  14. Van Hanegem

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. Ferenc Puskas

    4.5%
  16. Gerd Muller

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  17. Franz Beckenbauer

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  18. Messi

    22.7%
  19. C. Ronaldo

    18.2%
  20. Michel Platini

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #151 carlito86, May 23, 2025
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  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    on Gerson ...Left foot ...




    well , i saw so many many interviews Of Gerson ...

    in the start of the him career ..

    He was left -fullback ....... defender like Ferenc Puskas ... between .. 1943-1946 . was also



    he tackles very very badly ......


    himself ... says this on Gerson ..

    on the another hand :
    Ferenc Puskas tackles pretty good ..

    well ..

    Garrincha ;
    Vukas
    Eusebio ..
    so many many other players ..

    they humiliated younger Gerson in the full matches,,

    in general

    afterwards

    he went to midfield

    to play as a playmaker..

    but honestly

    Luis Suarez Miramontes..
    and Pedro Rocha..
    Rivera

    for example

    were more players

    than Gerson

    in World Cup 1970

    Gerson played in the Dream-Team
     
  3. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes ... Wiliam Phil Gracek's Face hahaha !!


    i have to admit this at all hahaha !!
     
  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    1 September 1960 Stadio Municipal, Fiorence
    Ref: P.Schwinte (Fra) HT: 0-1
    ITALY 3 (Rossano 2, Rivera)
    BRAZIL 1 (Waldir)
    Italy: Alfieri - Burgnich, Trebbi, Tumburus - Salvadore, Trapattoni -
    Rancati, Ferrini, Fanello, Rossano, Rivera.
    Brazil: Carlos Alberto - Nono, Decio, Dari, Roberto Dias - Rubens II,
    Gerson - Wanderley, Paulinho Ferreira, China, Waldir.
     
  6. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
  7. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

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    Country: [​IMG] Croatia
    Club: HNK Hajduk Split
    Number: 10
    Position: *AMF, SS, CF, WF, (CMF)
    Side: RF/BS
    Age: 23-28 years (01/05/1927)

    Height: 170 cm
    Weight: 70 kg

    Attack: 92
    Defence: 55
    Balance: 79
    Stamina: 88
    Top Speed: 84
    Acceleration: 91
    Response: 83
    Agility: 90
    Dribble Accuracy: 96
    Dribble Speed: 85
    Short Pass Accuracy: 88
    Short Pass Speed: 74
    Long Pass Accuracy: 83
    Long Pass Speed: 75
    Shot Accuracy: 90
    Shot Power: 82
    Shot Technique: 91
    Free Kick Accuracy: 76
    Curling: 78
    Header: 74
    Jump: 78
    Technique: 93
    Aggression: 84
    Mentality: 88
    Goalkeeper Skills: 50
    Team Work: 85

    Injury Tolerance: A
    Condition: 5
    Weak Foot Accuracy: 7
    Weak Foot Frequency: 7
    Consistency: 7
    Growth type: Standard/Lasting

    CARDS:
    S01 - Marauding
    S03 - 1-on-1 Finish
    S15 - Shoulder Feint Skills
    S19 - Scissors Skills
    S21 - Step On Skills
    P03 - Trickster
    P05 - Mazing Run
    P17 - Chasing Back
    P18 - Talisman

    SPECIAL ABILITIES: Dribbling - Reaction - Playmaking - Scoring - 1-1 Scoring


    Vukas !
     
  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  9. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #159 carlito86, May 23, 2025
    Last edited: May 23, 2025
    On PlayStation 40 years later

    Portugal did not even qualify for the 1970 World Cup

    There are also no indications Eusebio was even a world class player in 1969/70

    He scored 20 goals in the Portuguese Primera division which is way way off his peak levels of goalscoring
    He scored 4 goals in the European cup (all against Kjøbenhavns Boldklub)

    And he finished 22nd place in the ballon dor(purely off reputation most likely)
    No South Americans were even eligible for the ballon dor at this point in history

    If they were it is conceivable he would’ve dropped out the rankings altogether

    If the World Cup is really your barometer for greatness then excluding Gerson (who was actually pivotal for Brazil 1970) is really a major oversight

    Pelé(Mr World Cup) knew he ********ed up when he did not include him but instead you are here just doubling down

    it’s really sad
     
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  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    hahaha ... you're so dramatic ..at all hahaha "!



    well ... Gerson ... good player at averages .. whole career ..

    in 1970 was in Dream-team ...
     
  11. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Brazils ‘5th best player’ in WC 1970 was amazing in that tournament
     
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  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024








    i did it one video ... Lamine Yamal 17 years old now vs Ronaldinho's the famous prime 2004-2006 ...



    the distance to favor Lamine Yamal is insane ... the quality to finishing
     
  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


     
  14. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    #164 Frank73, May 23, 2025
    Last edited: May 23, 2025
    Of course one can well leave Socraes outside his top100 list, I recognize myself that he would be a sensible choice only if the list is based on some somewhat "general" meaning of "being the greatest", but dismissing him as a bohemian icon, belonging to pop culture much more than to the game, would be greatly inaccurate and misleading other than unfair.

    There are goals that Romario would be extremely proud of in the footage below, other than acts of midfielder technique that make media-darling overrated Zidane look slightly above average.

     
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  15. No one except Brazilians from the 1960s has ever seen Pelé play, except for watching a YouTube video. I've watched Messi regularly, and for me, there's no debate.
    Pelé was arguably the best of his era (I don't doubt it), but that football was in its infancy, and its players wouldn't be considered professionals today.
    I don't detract from his merit; that football was tougher and dirtier, but I've been searching for a very specific play and have had to watch many compilations of goals from the 1970s, and the defenses were a joke compared to today's. The physical preparation has nothing to do with today's, and even drug tests were practically nonexistent.
     
  16. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #166 carlito86, May 23, 2025
    Last edited: May 23, 2025
    To be able to score a few goals that Romário would be proud of or to produce moments of technique that make Zidane look slightly above average is all well and good.


    But those are isolated moments. What made Romário and Zidane all time greats was not just their highlights
    it was the frequency and consistency with which they produced them especially in career defining matches.


    So the real question is
    do the reasons Zidane and Romário are considered all-time greats apply exactly to Sócrates?


    That’s the issue with YouTube compilations. Great players can all produce moments that resemble what the all time greats did.
    What they can’t do is repeat them regularly in low stakes matches and/or deliver them reliably in high pressure matches or career defining games.


    Now If you want to talk about real and meaningful highlights let’s talk
    Why was the main highlight of Sócrates’ career reaching a World Cup quarter-final?
    Why were Zidane’s highlights World Cup, Euro, and Champions League tournaments and many times finals where he regularly made decisive contributions?


    Why was Sócrates never named the best player in South America, while Zidane was named the best player in the world three times?


    Romário isn’t considered an all time great because the majority of his goals were extraordinary.
    None of the most prolific goalscorers in history built their reputations off highlight reel goals alone.

    Some scored more great goals than others, sometimes significantly more but in every single case the bulk of their goals were standard repeatable finishes.



    And finally, regarding the “bohemian icon” and “free thinker” labels.
    Those weren’t my mine mate

    That was FourFourTwo your own source. I simply screenshotted their own words

    If you’re going to reference them as evidence, you can’t ignore the parts that don’t help your argument.
     
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  17. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    #167 Frank73, May 23, 2025
    Last edited: May 23, 2025

    Of course effevctiveness has tremendously improved, it is the case for every other human activity, why should football be the exception. But direct comparison of players from different ages of the sport is an hair above meaninglessness in my opinion. The whole game has changed, managers ask players to do different things, and consequently they are trained for enhancing a different set of skills. Perhaps even more important, environment has changed, you see nowadays balls rolling like on a billiard, while they used to bump like crazy still in the 80s (sometimes in the 90s). Players of the past used to wear boots that those of today would not use to do masonry works, and ball, once a stone, is now light and aerodynamically engineered. I remember a guy helding a TED conference who claimed technology has been even more decisive than improved training at bringing the spectacular amount of new WRs in track and field we have seen in the last two decades. Football could be the same. What one can do to be still able to practice the very entertaining art of all-time ranking is considering how much one player stood out in his own era, and classify players of different ages based on this. Thatis the reason why I personally value so much Brasil NT 82 and the brazilian "golden generation" (1975-85) in general: go fetch footages abd you'll see they looked like fresco painters among a bunch of house painters.
     
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  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    yes ... I agree with you on Zidane ...



    well, in 1995


    I went to almost all of Santos FC's matches... in the 1995 Brazilian Championship... including that famous game against Fluminense 5 vs 2 to Santos FC ..
















    at the same time ..here in Brazil ...


    There were

    various news
    about Zidane coming in Brazil ...1995-1996 ... Bordeaux season the last one

    will he reach .. Michel Platini ???

    there were surveys
    at the time by Raí ..1..2...3

    Italian

    and television

    channels
    of closed
    or paid channels in Brazil ..

    well, at the time ...

    nobody believed that Zinedine Zidane could surpass Platini ..

    he was called a black cat

    and a highly unlucky player

    in Finals ..

    ice cream ..
    making 5 goals ... 5 assists per season only



    But ..

    really

    later

    at Real Madrid
    and after World Cup Final 1998 .

    Zidane became a media darling product and hyped

    for his goal in the UEFA Champions League final ..

    he became idolized by the generation of Carlito 86! forward or onwards

    But for my generation

    Zidane

    was seen as being much worse

    than Dennis Bergkamp

    Fernando Redondo

    Edgar Davids

    Thuram

    Matthias Sammer

    Andy Moller

    Ronaldo Nazario

    Romario

    Del Piero

    Litmanen

    Weah

    Boban

    Savicevic

    Suker

    Alan Shearer


    Owen

    etc..etc..

    maybe even worse than

    Clarence Seedorf ...






    well , but Zidane at reality ...

    was ...or became MVP Uefa Champions League ....
    ... Best player of the Tournament Euro-Cup 2000
    ....Best player of the World Cup .... 2006 Golden Ball player from this competition ..
    ....best player of the Final..... Uefa -Super-Cup ...
    .... 2 x Mundiais Inter-Clubes ..... 1996 and 2002 ..



    really ... numbers of Goals ..and Assists .... is very very sad to know about that thing...


    but .. in Big Matches for less it ... happening ..some improvements ..

    in all whole career ..


    but ... comparing ...Zizou ...

    with Platini
    and
    Zico ..

    in Arsenal ..and tools ... Of finishing skills ..


    Zizou ..stays Below from them ..




    but i agree with you yes ..


    Zidane ... has the media Power ..by side

    Zidane .; and majority Of players .. 2000's ahead Has ...it ..


    are machine .. that generate billions of dollars ..


    so the media...tv ...press ...marketing ..etc ,, ..forgotten ..

    players like Puskas ..Gerd Muller ...Socrates ...Gullit .... Zagallo ...Zito ...Edu ..


    don't generates billion of dollars ... like Beckham ...does it ..
     
  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    Maradona's Lawyer at all and at Least hahahaha ????
     
  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    consistency and longevity

    the number one


    enemy

    of Brazilian players in general

    of course with rare exceptions over time.

    like Pelé ..Zito ...Zagallo .. Zico ..Gilmar dos Santos Neves ....Mauro Ramos ...Mauro Galvão ..
    ..Rogerio Ceni ...Casemiro ...etc ...etc..etc ...etc...etc..
     
  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    well ....


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    well ,, scientifically your theory is not proven... here...on Earth and also on Mars



    hahaha !!
     
  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Bullshit mate !
     
  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Did you come from Mars by the way of it ???
     
  24. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
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  25. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

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    Hands Of God yet History hahaha about it ???
     

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