100 Greatest Players Of all time according to Wiliam Phil Gracek

But it seems to me that here you are contradicting your same principles! You have always stressed that defensive job is relevant and must be evaluated for an attacking player too, and if it is poor, the player can not be really considered a Great! And in this respect Yamal is quite poor to say the least (see match vs Inter)!

 

The cup of Bernardo O'Higgins LOL and oswaldo Cruz
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Very poor list.

 

I give him the courage to create an own thread for this.

 

@Wiliam Felipe Gracek

22 of your top 100 greatest players are Brazilian

This is probably the weakest point of your list



Even Pele did not go that far
He included 15 from his country(which is still too much for me)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_100

From Pele’s list Socrates and Junior can easily be dropped


and there is a question mark if Carlos Alberto really had the credentials at club level to make this list aswell

How much does his stat padded goal vs Italy 1970 inflate his legacy and influence your opinion of him?

I don’t see Gerson on your list(nor on Peles list)and if the World Cup is really the be all and all, then he is a lot more worthy of being included.

He was genuinely spectacular in World Cup 1970.


Tostao was a very talented player and yes I know he was even considered to be greater than Pele by a section of fans in the late 1960s and very early 70s but the truth is he retired at 26 years old

And george best who was considered by some fans to of been greater than Pele in the late 1960s does not make your list at all


You make it seem as if you are following a criteria but there are too many holes and the main thing that bothers me is your extreme bias towards Brazilian players to the exclusion of others

 

Well Socrates managed to make his way up to 31st position of very eurocentric FOurFourTwo Best ever players ranking, while Junior
was voted 10th best brazilian player 1970-2010 by magazine Placar. Both the two are the subject of footages commented by hundreds of people swearing they were the best players they saw in their life or so. Decades after they retirement. Let's see how many money-inflated overinked football stars of today, with their mafia drug dealer attitude and their ridicule ways of celebrating will be able to claim the same in twenty years from now.

 

32nd according to FourFourTwo and they don’t represent me nor do I represent them

They provide reasons for their inclusion and there is absolutely nothing they mention that convinces me that he has to be in a top 100 all time list


He was a bohemian icon
He was a deep thinker
He was a formidable player in a great side that reached the WC QF
He was great at backheels
He was the best to ever play for Garforth town(a non league side in England)

Career highlight
Being fantastic in 5 games in 1982


I won’t do a back and forth about junior with you as I realise from the other thread he is one of your favourites

All I will say is
I completely reject the idea that the 10th greatest Brazilian player between 1970 - 2010 according to one publication has to be considered a top 100 player of all time

 

Messi is the best for his consistency, length of his career and titles.

 

Not really

Pelé was a Brazilian before you was even human and he did not go as far as you did

You can accuse me if you want of “not watching full games” but you absolutely can’t accuse him

The most Brazil should have in a top 100 is 10-15 players IMO

Definite with no question about it are seven players

Pelé
Zico
Ronaldo nazario
Romario
Didi
The santos brothers



Open to some debate are around 10 players
Leonidas
Garrincha
Neymar
Ronaldinho
Falcao
Tostao
Dani alves
Rivaldo
Roberto Carlos
Cafu
Rivelino
Marcelo


Open to a lot of debate/extremely questionable are many players including
Carlos Alberto
Junior
Gerson
Ricardo Kaka
Rai
Bebeto
Vinicius Jr
Thiago silva
Vava
Dirceu
Casemiro



Should never be considered under no circumstances
Mario zagallo
Djalminha
Robinho
Mauro silva
Alex de Souza
Gilberto silva
Müller
Juninho
Rodrygo
Denilson


Question marks
Coutinho(santos)
Pepe(santos)
Pagao(santos)
Julinho
Vasconcelos(santos)
Arthur Friedenreich

 

In Williams ‘defence’ it’s always interesting to see how controversial top 100 all time lists can be and how you can never really please everybody

And as critical as I have been of William
others have been just as critical if not more of people as great as Pelé


Pele angers Brazilians
March 2004




https://www.news24.com/Pele-angers-Brazilians-20040304

For Pelé to say he could’ve made a top 100 all time list with only Brazilian players is as bizarre as it can possibly get but I guess he was just trying to save face at this point (in front of his countryman and press)

Edit
For a country as small as the Netherlands
Including 13 of their players in a top 100 all time list is ridiculously high IMO