100 Greatest Players Of all time according to Wiliam Phil Gracek

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Wiliam Felipe Gracek, May 20, 2025.

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the best Player OF all time on the whole World ?

  1. Edson Arantes Pelé

    29.2%
  2. Romário

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Ronaldo Nazario

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Didi Folha Seca

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Mané Garrincha

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Mario Jorge wolf Zagallo

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Ademir de Menezes

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Zico

    4.2%
  9. Zito

    4.2%
  10. Rivaldo

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Cruyff

    4.2%
  12. Gullit

    4.2%
  13. Other

    12.5%
  14. Van Hanegem

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. Ferenc Puskas

    4.2%
  16. Gerd Muller

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  17. Franz Beckenbauer

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  18. Messi

    20.8%
  19. C. Ronaldo

    16.7%
  20. Michel Platini

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy

    But it seems to me that here you are contradicting your same principles! You have always stressed that defensive job is relevant and must be evaluated for an attacking player too, and if it is poor, the player can not be really considered a Great! And in this respect Yamal is quite poor to say the least (see match vs Inter)!
     
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  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    well,


    we will see much more yet ..mate ..!


    well ..has Finalissima .. and Uefa Nations League .. 2024-2025 ..

    calm down ...
    the boy

    has ..17 years old almost 18 ..only ...

    gives the right time for him also ..."!



    well ... the time will say about it ... sooner or later ..

    that's my friend .. "!
     
  3. Bin1250

    Bin1250 Member

    Arsenal
    Argentina
    Jun 16, 2023
    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
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  4. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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  5. ffff15

    ffff15 Member

    Argentina
    Sep 29, 2021
    Very poor list.
     
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  6. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    I give him the courage to create an own thread for this.
     
  7. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #132 carlito86, May 22, 2025
    Last edited: May 22, 2025
    @Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    22 of your top 100 greatest players are Brazilian

    This is probably the weakest point of your list



    Even Pele did not go that far
    He included 15 from his country(which is still too much for me)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_100

    From Pele’s list Socrates and Junior can easily be dropped


    and there is a question mark if Carlos Alberto really had the credentials at club level to make this list aswell

    How much does his stat padded goal vs Italy 1970 inflate his legacy and influence your opinion of him?

    I don’t see Gerson on your list(nor on Peles list)and if the World Cup is really the be all and all, then he is a lot more worthy of being included.

    He was genuinely spectacular in World Cup 1970.


    Tostao was a very talented player and yes I know he was even considered to be greater than Pele by a section of fans in the late 1960s and very early 70s but the truth is he retired at 26 years old

    And george best who was considered by some fans to of been greater than Pele in the late 1960s does not make your list at all


    You make it seem as if you are following a criteria but there are too many holes and the main thing that bothers me is your extreme bias towards Brazilian players to the exclusion of others
     
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  8. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    Well Socrates managed to make his way up to 31st position of very eurocentric FOurFourTwo Best ever players ranking, while Junior
    was voted 10th best brazilian player 1970-2010 by magazine Placar. Both the two are the subject of footages commented by hundreds of people swearing they were the best players they saw in their life or so. Decades after they retirement. Let's see how many money-inflated overinked football stars of today, with their mafia drug dealer attitude and their ridicule ways of celebrating will be able to claim the same in twenty years from now.
     
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  9. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #134 carlito86, May 22, 2025
    Last edited: May 22, 2025
    32nd according to FourFourTwo and they don’t represent me nor do I represent them

    They provide reasons for their inclusion and there is absolutely nothing they mention that convinces me that he has to be in a top 100 all time list
    IMG_9257.jpeg

    He was a bohemian icon
    He was a deep thinker
    He was a formidable player in a great side that reached the WC QF
    He was great at backheels
    He was the best to ever play for Garforth town(a non league side in England)

    Career highlight
    Being fantastic in 5 games in 1982


    I won’t do a back and forth about junior with you as I realise from the other thread he is one of your favourites

    All I will say is
    I completely reject the idea that the 10th greatest Brazilian player between 1970 - 2010 according to one publication has to be considered a top 100 player of all time
     
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  10. Messi is the best for his consistency, length of his career and titles.
     
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  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    well, Carlito 86 !


    does it ..well


    make your own list my spiritual brother .....Carlito 86 !
    and explain the reasons to put them there ...in order ..


    well, i can be much more influenced by players ...between 1988- until 1997 ....



    i was born ... in 08/11/1982 .... so i had 10 years old ...in 1992 ..a tip for you ...


    so ...you will realize this in names like Andy Moller, Redondo, Davids and Matthias Sammer ...


    but ... i don't put alot of them ...players of my own generation ...from 1988-1998 ...til


    by Nostalgia ...


    the problem is that nowadays ...


    you guys forgotten all the players from the past ...


    you guys putting Pelé by force 3 World cups won ...


    not because you guys ..like of Pelé ...by admiration


    generally ..you guys hate Pelé ... in general .


    you guys hate past players ... be frank . !
     
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  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes ..it proves that 'im brazilian at all my friend.


    after all

    hahahaha !!!
     
  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes....i saw Socrates ..walking drunk by my side ...next from the brazilian bar ..

    well .. wasn't Secret to anyone in Brazil ..

    in São Paulo city , Brazil .... region south zone ...Brooklin ... !



    like Ronaldo Nazario ... loving Roberto Carlos on the night in Real Madrid ..

    wasn't Secret to anyone ..too ... two " g ... "


    the worst team that I saw in my whole life ..galacticos ...2004-2006 .. !


    alot media darling players products ...

    and
    on the field == nothing .. !

    and i see young people on internet ...over-Rated these players .. by Highlights at You tube ..

    calling ..as the best generation Of all time ... well blind people .is sad at all .
     
  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024









    Ronaldo Nazario on the night ..

    the boy was insane at all hahahaha !
     
  15. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #140 carlito86, May 22, 2025
    Last edited: May 22, 2025
    Not really

    Pelé was a Brazilian before you was even human and he did not go as far as you did

    You can accuse me if you want of “not watching full games” but you absolutely can’t accuse him

    The most Brazil should have in a top 100 is 10-15 players IMO

    Definite with no question about it are seven players

    Pelé
    Zico
    Ronaldo nazario
    Romario
    Didi
    The santos brothers



    Open to some debate are around 10 players
    Leonidas
    Garrincha
    Neymar
    Ronaldinho
    Falcao
    Tostao
    Dani alves
    Rivaldo
    Roberto Carlos
    Cafu
    Rivelino
    Marcelo


    Open to a lot of debate/extremely questionable are many players including
    Carlos Alberto
    Junior
    Gerson
    Ricardo Kaka
    Rai
    Bebeto
    Vinicius Jr
    Thiago silva
    Vava
    Dirceu
    Casemiro



    Should never be considered under no circumstances
    Mario zagallo
    Djalminha
    Robinho
    Mauro silva
    Alex de Souza
    Gilberto silva
    Müller
    Juninho
    Rodrygo
    Denilson


    Question marks
    Coutinho(santos)
    Pepe(santos)
    Pagao(santos)
    Julinho
    Vasconcelos(santos)
    Arthur Friedenreich
     
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  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    well, do it .. my friend ... your own Ranking list 100 greatest players Of all time ..


    there .. you can be making Justice ..by your own Manner ... and visions about Football .. "!
     
  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
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  18. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #143 carlito86, May 22, 2025
    Last edited: May 22, 2025
    In Williams ‘defence’ it’s always interesting to see how controversial top 100 all time lists can be and how you can never really please everybody

    And as critical as I have been of William
    others have been just as critical if not more of people as great as Pelé


    Pele angers Brazilians
    March 2004


    IMG_9259.jpeg IMG_9260.jpeg

    IMG_9261.jpeg
    https://www.news24.com/Pele-angers-Brazilians-20040304

    For Pelé to say he could’ve made a top 100 all time list with only Brazilian players is as bizarre as it can possibly get but I guess he was just trying to save face at this point (in front of his countryman and press)

    Edit
    For a country as small as the Netherlands
    Including 13 of their players in a top 100 all time list is ridiculously high IMO
     
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  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    well, i honestly ...nowadays seriously now Carlito 86 !


    i don't like players


    that are at the same time ...


    media products
    media darling players
    players Of highlights only at You tube ...


    when you do a deeper and more scientific research...about them

    you take the numbers of these players... media

    and media products

    in decisive games

    throughout their all careers...

    in Big matches...

    you start to realize that this player delivered much lesser

    than the media press says about them...

    and the different treatment with them

    because they are players who generate billions of dollars annually...USD dollars..


    ..players like ...


    Beckham " by National Team Side " to be fair with David ... by Manchester United .. played very very well in Big Matches...

    Ronaldinho Gaucho ...... general
    Roberto Baggio .............general
    Michael Laudrup .............general
    Dennis Bergkamp ............general
    Thierry Henry ........... general
    M. Salah .................. general
    Arjen Robben ..............general
    L. Figo ................... general

    Neymar Jr ............ lazy and mentally stranger player



    even

    Rijkaard and Zidane called the black cat ....90's or bad lucky player

    even delivering more than all these players in Big Matches .
     
  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    do it .... your own list ..my friend ..!

    hahaha !
     
  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


     
  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    please .. do not commit such injustice with Mario Jorge Wolf Zagallo ..

    Zagallo .. was a total footballer ..

    But I do not condemn you completely

    because I and myself
    made the same mistake with and against Zagallo years ago also my friend .

    but watching ..
    full matches ..
    of World Cup 1958 ..
    and World Cup 1962 mainly and recently

    Mexico ..
    Czechia
    Spain
    England
    Chile
    Czechia

    he was a perfect mix

    of
    Di Stefano
    Gento
    Cruyff
    Mario Corso
    and
    Roberto Rivellino


    working like the third man ...
    and doing high-pressure ...
    doing positional play ...

    with very much stamina ..endurance ...agility ..team work ..work rate ... mobility ..

    but with great technique at the same time ..
     
  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gfsAj0Wd-nM
     
  24. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    1. Firstly

    did You see and saw Pelé playing full matches ????



    2. give-me smaller details on these full matches ????
     
  25. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    well, this is Real at all hahaha !!!
     

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