But it seems to me that here you are contradicting your same principles! You have always stressed that defensive job is relevant and must be evaluated for an attacking player too, and if it is poor, the player can not be really considered a Great! And in this respect Yamal is quite poor to say the least (see match vs Inter)!
well, we will see much more yet ..mate ..! well ..has Finalissima .. and Uefa Nations League .. 2024-2025 .. calm down ... the boy has ..17 years old almost 18 ..only ... gives the right time for him also ..."! well ... the time will say about it ... sooner or later .. that's my friend .. "!
@Wiliam Felipe Gracek 22 of your top 100 greatest players are Brazilian This is probably the weakest point of your list Even Pele did not go that far He included 15 from his country(which is still too much for me) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_100 From Pele’s list Socrates and Junior can easily be dropped and there is a question mark if Carlos Alberto really had the credentials at club level to make this list aswell How much does his stat padded goal vs Italy 1970 inflate his legacy and influence your opinion of him? I don’t see Gerson on your list(nor on Peles list)and if the World Cup is really the be all and all, then he is a lot more worthy of being included. He was genuinely spectacular in World Cup 1970. Tostao was a very talented player and yes I know he was even considered to be greater than Pele by a section of fans in the late 1960s and very early 70s but the truth is he retired at 26 years old And george best who was considered by some fans to of been greater than Pele in the late 1960s does not make your list at all You make it seem as if you are following a criteria but there are too many holes and the main thing that bothers me is your extreme bias towards Brazilian players to the exclusion of others
Well Socrates managed to make his way up to 31st position of very eurocentric FOurFourTwo Best ever players ranking, while Junior was voted 10th best brazilian player 1970-2010 by magazine Placar. Both the two are the subject of footages commented by hundreds of people swearing they were the best players they saw in their life or so. Decades after they retirement. Let's see how many money-inflated overinked football stars of today, with their mafia drug dealer attitude and their ridicule ways of celebrating will be able to claim the same in twenty years from now.
32nd according to FourFourTwo and they don’t represent me nor do I represent them They provide reasons for their inclusion and there is absolutely nothing they mention that convinces me that he has to be in a top 100 all time list He was a bohemian icon He was a deep thinker He was a formidable player in a great side that reached the WC QF He was great at backheels He was the best to ever play for Garforth town(a non league side in England) Career highlight Being fantastic in 5 games in 1982 I won’t do a back and forth about junior with you as I realise from the other thread he is one of your favourites All I will say is I completely reject the idea that the 10th greatest Brazilian player between 1970 - 2010 according to one publication has to be considered a top 100 player of all time
well, Carlito 86 ! does it ..well make your own list my spiritual brother .....Carlito 86 ! and explain the reasons to put them there ...in order .. well, i can be much more influenced by players ...between 1988- until 1997 .... i was born ... in 08/11/1982 .... so i had 10 years old ...in 1992 ..a tip for you ... so ...you will realize this in names like Andy Moller, Redondo, Davids and Matthias Sammer ... but ... i don't put alot of them ...players of my own generation ...from 1988-1998 ...til by Nostalgia ... the problem is that nowadays ... you guys forgotten all the players from the past ... you guys putting Pelé by force 3 World cups won ... not because you guys ..like of Pelé ...by admiration generally ..you guys hate Pelé ... in general . you guys hate past players ... be frank . !
yes....i saw Socrates ..walking drunk by my side ...next from the brazilian bar .. well .. wasn't Secret to anyone in Brazil .. in São Paulo city , Brazil .... region south zone ...Brooklin ... ! like Ronaldo Nazario ... loving Roberto Carlos on the night in Real Madrid .. wasn't Secret to anyone ..too ... two " g ... " the worst team that I saw in my whole life ..galacticos ...2004-2006 .. ! alot media darling players products ... and on the field == nothing .. ! and i see young people on internet ...over-Rated these players .. by Highlights at You tube .. calling ..as the best generation Of all time ... well blind people .is sad at all .
Not really Pelé was a Brazilian before you was even human and he did not go as far as you did You can accuse me if you want of “not watching full games” but you absolutely can’t accuse him The most Brazil should have in a top 100 is 10-15 players IMO Definite with no question about it are seven players Pelé Zico Ronaldo nazario Romario Didi The santos brothers Open to some debate are around 10 players Leonidas Garrincha Neymar Ronaldinho Falcao Tostao Dani alves Rivaldo Roberto Carlos Cafu Rivelino Marcelo Open to a lot of debate/extremely questionable are many players including Carlos Alberto Junior Gerson Ricardo Kaka Rai Bebeto Vinicius Jr Thiago silva Vava Dirceu Casemiro Should never be considered under no circumstances Mario zagallo Djalminha Robinho Mauro silva Alex de Souza Gilberto silva Müller Juninho Rodrygo Denilson Question marks Coutinho(santos) Pepe(santos) Pagao(santos) Julinho Vasconcelos(santos) Arthur Friedenreich
well, do it .. my friend ... your own Ranking list 100 greatest players Of all time .. there .. you can be making Justice ..by your own Manner ... and visions about Football .. "!
In Williams ‘defence’ it’s always interesting to see how controversial top 100 all time lists can be and how you can never really please everybody And as critical as I have been of William others have been just as critical if not more of people as great as Pelé Pele angers Brazilians March 2004 https://www.news24.com/Pele-angers-Brazilians-20040304 For Pelé to say he could’ve made a top 100 all time list with only Brazilian players is as bizarre as it can possibly get but I guess he was just trying to save face at this point (in front of his countryman and press) Edit For a country as small as the Netherlands Including 13 of their players in a top 100 all time list is ridiculously high IMO
well, i honestly ...nowadays seriously now Carlito 86 ! i don't like players that are at the same time ... media products media darling players players Of highlights only at You tube ... when you do a deeper and more scientific research...about them you take the numbers of these players... media and media products in decisive games throughout their all careers... in Big matches... you start to realize that this player delivered much lesser than the media press says about them... and the different treatment with them because they are players who generate billions of dollars annually...USD dollars.. ..players like ... Beckham " by National Team Side " to be fair with David ... by Manchester United .. played very very well in Big Matches... Ronaldinho Gaucho ...... general Roberto Baggio .............general Michael Laudrup .............general Dennis Bergkamp ............general Thierry Henry ........... general M. Salah .................. general Arjen Robben ..............general L. Figo ................... general Neymar Jr ............ lazy and mentally stranger player even Rijkaard and Zidane called the black cat ....90's or bad lucky player even delivering more than all these players in Big Matches .
please .. do not commit such injustice with Mario Jorge Wolf Zagallo .. Zagallo .. was a total footballer .. But I do not condemn you completely because I and myself made the same mistake with and against Zagallo years ago also my friend . but watching .. full matches .. of World Cup 1958 .. and World Cup 1962 mainly and recently Mexico .. Czechia Spain England Chile Czechia he was a perfect mix of Di Stefano Gento Cruyff Mario Corso and Roberto Rivellino working like the third man ... and doing high-pressure ... doing positional play ... with very much stamina ..endurance ...agility ..team work ..work rate ... mobility .. but with great technique at the same time ..
1. Firstly did You see and saw Pelé playing full matches ???? 2. give-me smaller details on these full matches ????