05/23: Old Flame: Chicago vs FCD [R]

Discussion in 'FC Dallas' started by burning247, May 20, 2012.

  1. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Joke coming? :devilish:
     
  2. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wouldn't all that exposing be in violation of your plea deals?
     
  3. Quills

    Quills Member

    Jun 22, 2007
    Richardson
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not going to call for Schellas' head or write off this season when there are 7 potential starters either injured or suspended compared to the lineup that was on the field at the end of the game. Shea, Ferreira, Villar, Castillo, Ugo, John, Pertuz. Are you kidding me? This wasn't just one cog missing. When we get closer to full strength and are still losing, then I'll be upset.

    I don't understand all the pessimism and and comparisons to 2003. Even with all the injuries and red cards, this team isn't getting their ass kicked off the field. Yeah, the winless streak is up to 8 but they have had a chance to win most games. A little better finishing here or there, maybe a couple referee decisions go our way and this streak is 2-2-4 instead of 0-5-3. I went to plenty of games in 2003 and you knew that team was losing as soon as the ball was kicked off. That's definitely not the feeling right now.
     
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  4. boneall

    boneall Member

    Sep 8, 2008
    Allen
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This place is depressing.
     
  5. xanthippas

    xanthippas Member

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Jun 8, 2004
    Bedford, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rodriguez is terrible. The only consolation is that he's only out there because of injuries.

    This whole run of futility sucks. Now personally I don't think anything dramatic needs to happen; we just need to get guys back and on the field on a regular basis and good things will start to happen. But then I start to feel this creeping fear that we'll never get the best guys out on the field at the same time, at least not in time to make a serious run. Let's say they get healthy again...so how long does that last before some hacktastic son of a bitch from another team puts one of our guys out of action again (and gets no yellow or red as a result, for that matter.)
     
  6. oscar_in_fw

    oscar_in_fw Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Fort Worth
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Put PHP on the FW Northside and I bet the stadium fills up with a largely Hispanic crowd. I'd vote for this since it would mean my commute to the game would be about 10 miles instead of the 55 miles it is now.
     
  7. sweeper33

    sweeper33 Member

    Jul 24, 2000
    The other bullshit aspect of our time at Southlake was the fact that there were no beer sales allowed in Dragon Stadium. High school stadium, fake turf, football lines and Dragon logo permanently etched over the soccer lines, no beer, few Hispanic fans, crappy team line up and worthless coach. Brilliant move by HSG.
     
  8. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    That's a dark place that some of you are going to. It took me a long time to come back from there, and I don't recommend it to any of you. This is not even anywhere that we once were. Points have been scarce, yes. Fortune has been poor, yes. But, those able to stand are still trying to defy the fates. I look at the coaching staff eyes and I see a nasty desperate and combative intensity. I look at the play of most of the players, and I see real heart despite the depleted roster. If you are a fan, how can you turn on your team when they are battling against the odds every game? They are not giving up. If we as fans are throwing in the towel, then we would deserve the same effort from the team. Our biggest problem seems to be misdirected intensity. Let's look to steal points every chance we get until the reinforcements arrive. If you go to a game, do your part. Make it the most unpleasant experience possible for opposing teams and non-neutral referees. At minimum, it is great stress relief. We will be back in the race within a month. Those of you falling off the bandwagon will feel silly. Must keep the faith.
     
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  9. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think Rodriguez is terrible but he is very casual at times about defending. I do question whether he would be playing if he were a home grown player with the same skill set. We have a home grown left back who has never made the field. Is his play and especially defending worse? RSL is a great example as a team that does play their own. If Kreis were coach here a few of those guys would be contributing a lot more than at present.
     
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  10. oscar_in_fw

    oscar_in_fw Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Fort Worth
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So did FCD have success when Ferreira was playing because of Schellas or in spite of him ? Initially, I thought he was in over his head but you cannot argue with the results he had when Ferreira was on the field. This team has suffered without Ferreira but is that on the coach ? Maybe it is, one player should not make that big a difference over so many games.

    I have questioned his substitution patterns, player rotation (or lack thereof), young player "weaning", tactical adjustments, etc... but does not every fan question every coaches' decision making ?

    One thing I did like, his propensity to recruit highly skillful, but perhaps not "physically imposing" players. OTOH, it's looking more and more like the MLS refs are allowing the physical play to neutralize any "technical skills" advantages that Schellas likes to recruit.
     
  11. Parrothead FC

    Parrothead FC Member

    Jun 29, 2005
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that's exactly right. A huge part of coaching is planning for inevitable injuries and suspensions by building a team that has depth and versatility. Last year Schellas showed a stubborn refusal to alter his tactics or his squad based on the realities of injuries and fixture congestion. This year after even more injuries he still he not shown any signs of knowing how to adjust. Good teams DO adjust when they lose big players to injury, because they plan for that certainty much more effectively than we do. That's why I think this is primarily Schellas's fault.
     
  12. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I think the fact that we did well last season without Ferreira last season before our eventual collapse proves that this isn't all on DF10. I think it's alarming that we've ditched players that have worked well for us. We had an MLS Cup worthy team that should have damn well been champions of the league if it weren't for the worst luck on Earth and what did we do? We let 3 key players go. Regardless of what you think about Harris, he did the job for FCD. Same goes for Pearce and (of course) Dax. Now we add Chavez to that list. These were all important aspects of a team that worked and we just let them go.
     
  13. Sportsfan783

    Sportsfan783 Member

    FC Dallas
    Oct 8, 2010
    Midland, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Exactly. And this is what we got.

    Heath Pearce: Money
    Dax McCarty: nothing
    Atiba Harris: nothing
    Eric Avila: Maicon Santos……nothing
    Eric Alexander: Jeremy Hall….nothing
    Marvin Chavez: Money

    Since the MLS Cup, Frisco has been a revolving door of players coming and going. How many new faces have we seen in that time not counting draftees or HG/Academy players? At least 12 from what I can remember.
     
  14. SeventhRowScreamer

    Jan 26, 2007
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your words are true, sad and funny. Please laminate this thought so we can use it in the future. Only the 2010 fanboys will fall away from supporting this club. It's pathetic most of the time and the owners will always be frugal and not afraid of mediocrity but this pathetic sack of club is our pathetic sack of club.
     
  15. SeventhRowScreamer

    Jan 26, 2007
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the Hunt boys bet themselves a long time ago to see how many championships they could win with their sports teams without having the best of anything.
     
  16. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And yet, look at the 2012 salary rankings and see where we land. (Hint: Not at the bottom.) The thing is that guys have been getting raises since 2010. Shea got a raise, Hartman got a raise, Ferreira was made a DP, and so on. In addition, we signed Blas Perez, to the tune of $300,000 a year.
     
  17. UncleHulka

    UncleHulka Member

    Jan 14, 2005
  18. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're probably right that Big D is going to win the D v. FW stadium question... That's why I think Ft. Worth should have their own team... NPSL, PDL, USL-PRO, something.

    All they've got is the Cats! (and some small private school whose name eludes me at the moment ;-))
     
  19. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It would make for a fun USOC Third Round scenario.
     
  20. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Basically the Cowboys and Rangers are in between since they are in Arlington. Kind of surprised no one has ever tried to find a location in between but farther north since that would be the middle of population in the metroplex. Maybe LBJ and I-35 or a LBJ and 190.
     
  21. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's a bit of open space there. Maybe even near Grapevine mall, which would put it right along 121, and a short trip to FCD Stadium :)

    But with the success of stadia like Houston's, I imagine they'll look a little more towards the center of the city, or closer to TCU.
     
  22. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It'll never happen until FCD consistently sells out/has high attendance. So it'll never happen.
     
  23. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, you're 100% right on that one. Last I saw our attendance was still up (albeit minimally) from last season, despite our poor performance. I'll try not to read too much into it, but it is unfortunate that we have this beautiful new stadium that so few people bother to see. Maybe hire the RoughRiders marketing folks, they always seem to do pretty well attendance-wise :)
     
  24. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Marketing is much better than it was a few years ago. The game day experience is much better. There are a number of factors that plague (and will always plague, IMO) FCD's attendance numbers that have been beaten to death in countless threads. It is what it is.
     
  25. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even so if we switched ownership with Kansas City does anyone think FCD's attendance wouldn't rise and KC's fall? Ownership is still not doing everything they can.
     

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