€-Moneyball; High and Low Finance Football

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by Orange14, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    https://sporza.be/nl/2019/10/22/bart-verhaeghe-le-monde-bene-league/

    BeNe League talks starting to heat up.

    When does the Eredivisie's TV deal with Fox end? 2022?
    Possibly the BeNe League will start when the FOX deal ends (or is renegotiated in case it doesn't end any time soon).

    18 team league with 8 Pro League clubs and 10 from the Eredivisie. Basically the same as the Eredivisie is now except the likes of Waalwijk, Emmen, Venlo, ... would replaced by the top 8 from Belgium, i.e. Club Bruges, Anderlecht, Standard, Genk, Ghent, etc. Almost all of those 8 clubs are in the North, even away games against Standard (in Wallonia) wouldn't add much travel. By train those trips might even be quicker than the trips you'd have to take to attend games in your own country (away games in Dutch Limburg or in the North). Travel distances in a BeNe League would be tiny anyway (compare it to the distances in France, Germany, Italy, Spain, England, ... Russia, Turkey, China, the US).
     
  2. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    FIFA have agreed to a regulation regarding players going out on loan. I don't know whether this will have much of an impact as there are not many loans of players over the age of 22. I don't know if the second point below also pertains to players in that age group. I would rather see this apply to player under the age of 22 if they are really serious.
    • to prevent player hoarding and ensure that loans have a valid sporting purpose for youth development as opposed to commercial purposes, limitations on international loans of players aged 22 and older;
    • as of the 2020/2021 season, a limit of eight international loans in and out, going down to six by the 2022/2023 season, with a maximum of three loans in and three loans out between the same clubs.

     
  3. At least an attempt to counter satelite clubs. However it would be better to include ownership of clubs too.
     
  4. https://www.ad.nl/nederlands-voetba...rt-verder-onderzoek-naar-competitie~a827e440/
    BeNeLiga stap dichterbij: KNVB start verder onderzoek naar competitie

    De KNVB gaat verder onderzoek doen naar het opstarten van de BeNeLiga, een gezamenlijke competitie van Nederland en België. Uit het onderzoek van het onderzoeksbureau Deloitte is gebleken dat de BeNeLiga ‘potentieel significant waardeverhogend is’.

    Sportredactie 25-10-19, 16:40 Laatste update: 16:47
     
  5. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    #1255 Orange14, Oct 26, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2019
    The Swiss Ramble who analyzes the finances of Euro football clubs looks at the Ajax results from last season. He only posts to Twitter these days so you have to look at a series of Tweets that are posted on October 21-22. There is a lot of good data here along with comparisons to other major Euro teams as well as within the Eredivisie. Ajax are still way below the major teams that were in last year's CL in terms of finances but they have one of the lowest debt ratios.

    Try this link for all the Tweets:
     
  6. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
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    AFC Ajax
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    Netherlands
  7. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
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    AFC Ajax
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    Netherlands
  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Socialism would be if most of the benefits from this cartel arrangement goes to the workers ;)
     
  9. You realise that in the socalled socialist countries the workers didnot benefit at all, in contrast to the party elites.
     
  10. @PuckVanHeel posted these links in another thread and I put them in here!
    What I told some time ago now comes in with a bang:

    https://theathletic.com/1457876/201...shortening-is-it-time-for-football-to-change/
    At a recent conference hosting more than 140 club delegates from Europe and beyond, an executive presented the room with one glaring and troubling statistic.

    During the 2018-19 season, the live match audience for Champions League football dropped from an average of two billion during the previous three-year cycle to 1.3 billion in the last campaign. In a single year, therefore, the Champions League experienced a traditional television audience fall of 35 per cent. The Europa League also experienced a 17 per cent drop.

    For the sport’s most vaunted club competition, this is a concerning trend and insiders suggest that the evidence from the early stages of this European campaign is that the pattern will continue. For a long time, the economic security of football has depended on its ability to capture extraordinary deals for television rights but as traditional audiences tail off, tension is growing in the boardrooms of Europe’s leading clubs.

    Last...

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...-sports-dismal-champions-league-viewing-figu/

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    Revealed: Just 200,000 viewers watch English clubs' games on Showcase free-to-air channel, writes Ben Rumsby Credit: BT Sport

    10 February 2016 • 11:54am




    It hailed its surprise capture of the Champions League as “the real game-changer” but as BT Sport prepares to broadcast the last 16 of the competition,Inside Sport can expose the shocking viewing figures from the first season of its £897 million deal.

    UK television ratings for the Champions League have nosedived since it moved from ITV and Sky Sports, with the play-off round and group stages attracting a fraction of the audience – including those games made available free-to-air. While a significant drop-off was inevitable, the scale of it has provoked a Uefa rethink about how the competition rights will be sold at the next auction this year.

    A key element of BT’s triumphant bid for the Champions League and Europa League 2½ years ago was its pledge to show some matches – at least 12 in the former competition – free-to-air to reach the widest possible audience. But its BT Showcase channel has proven a complete flop, attracting an average peak audience of less than 200,000 for its Champions League coverage, compared to the average peak of 4.4 million who watched the play‑off round and group stages on ITV last year.


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10551237/champions-league-tv-viewership-european/
    EUROPEAN FAILURE
    Champions League TV viewing figures plummet ‘by 35 per cent’ ramping up talk of new European Super League


    • 14 Dec 2019, 10:13
    • Updated: 14 Dec 2019, 12:57


    However, the conclusion by the Sun about the emergence of the Superleague seems to me in conradiction to what the numbers tell you. Even free accessible CL matches of English clubs nose dived. In all countries in Europe the same has been developing.
    How do you square that with a SL that will massively be dependent on media exposure?
    If anything I would love to see the big money clubs do their death run by going rogue.


    People are bored to death by seeing the same clubs in the final 8 for years now. For sure it's going to be a bright idea to do the boredom a step up by even cancelling the chance to have a surprise team can get into the final. During the CL campaign Ajax was the 8th most twittered or how that's called word worldwide. Not one of the usual suspects.
     
  11. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Even in the US there was a lot of talk about Ajax last season. I think the comments above are on point. English supporters care more about EPL rivalries than CL football. Barca - Real Madrid games draw higher viewer numbers
     
  12. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
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    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
  13. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    We'll see if this one holds up. ManCity are banned from all UEFA competitions for two years and fined €30M for violation of FFP rules. Club will appeal to the Arbitration Court.
     
  14. What happens if it becomes a necesity to freeze all soccer competitions?
    Sponsor contracts, tv contracts, no gate revenues. I guess players still have to be paid. What happens to epl clubs if they lose stadium revenues? What could be the impact on the epl itself if it cannot deliver the content it signed for?
     
  15. Now things unfold and the impact on competitions is far worse than imagined, is this going to kill the bloated paycheque superclubs?
    Except for PSG and ManCity, that have endless resources from state funding.
    The epl world wide contracts become worthless if no matches are on display, sponsors of the superclubs get nothing in return for their money isnot going to be a selling point either.
     
  16. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    It's happened in the past when wealthy owners have either given up on the club or stolen all the money they could. There will be a shake up but it will depend on how long games are cancelled.

    I'm reading an excellent book right now that covers this type of stuff from both a political and economic perspective. It's by David Goldblatt, an English sports writer; "The Age of Football: Soccer and the 21st Century." It covers all the regions in the world and most of the major football countries. I've found out some wonderful stuff. Club football in Africa is failing because of televised EPL matches. Supporters would rather watch an EPL game than their local club. this is very sad.

    There is a lot of good discussion about the role of rich owners in various leagues. Unfortunately, the section on Dutch football is all to brief and almost nothing about the Eredivisie. Still the book is very interesting and well written.
     
  17. First sign of unraveling of the self appointed superclubs:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...risis-players-face-wage-cuts-coronavirus.html
    Barcelona's quarantined stars 'at war with the club's board' after REFUSING their plea to take a 70 per cent wage cut, as coronavirus decimates the season in a country where over 4,000 have now died
    • Barcelona are on the verge of a wage row during the coronavirus crisis
    • Spanish clubs are being asked to temporarily slash wages to secure futures
    • The standard cut rate is 70%, which Barca's playing squad has baulked at
    • President Josep Maria Bartomeu is looking to strike a more favourable deal
    • Barca will be harder hit by the crisis after spending badly in recent seasons

    The corona virus will have a lasting impact on the clubs that were spending like crazy, riding the waves of lucrative sponsor/media deals. The amazing thing is that it only took one week after the lockdown of leagues to get to this point.
     
  18. If players refuse it, clubs can't do shit about it. Not paying isnot an option as then the player is transfer free.
     
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  19. https://en.as.com/en/2020/03/30/football/1585563951_163078.html



    CORONAVIRUS

    Coronavirus: Football's transfer market values have plummeted
    CIES have published a study that says team values have dropped by a staggering amount with Manchester City, Real Madrid and Barcelona affected.
    Market value loss according to CIES
    Club Dropped value in euro % lost
    FC Barcelona -366 31.30%
    Liverpool -353 25.10%
    Real Madrid -350 31.80%
    Paris St-Germain -302 31.40%
     
  20. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Player agent Mino Raiola is according to a VI insider survey the most influential Dutchman in the industry.

    https://www.vi.nl/nieuws/raiola-invloedrijkste-nederlander-in-huidige-voetbalindustrie

    For the first time, VI presents the Top 50 of the most influential Dutch people in the football industry. Composed by experts who work in the billion-dollar sector and who have submitted their votes. You can read the results in this special issue. The question to the respondents was simple: Which ten Dutch people do you think make the most of their mark in the football industry? But not so easy to answer. It is, of course, just what you understand under the term influence.

    To arrive at a balanced picture, we asked experts from various blood groups in professional football for their opinion. We collected the top ten lists of 75 players, coaches, directors, people from interest groups, plus experts from the commercial sector and the referee corps. They all cast their votes anonymously to avoid giving socially desirable answers. Many came with an extensive motivation, for which thanks again from this place. More than a hundred men and a few women were mentioned. At the end we added up the points and rolled out a ranking.

    50. Mattijs Manders
    49. Riemer van der Velde
    48. Dick van Egmond
    47. Reinout Vriesendorp
    46. Kees Vos
    45. Frank Rijkaard
    44. Nico-Jan Hoogma
    43. Valentijn Driessen
    42. Max Huiberts
    41. Hans van Breukelen
    40. Marcel Brands
    39. John de Mol
    38. Just Spee
    37. Danny Blind
    36. Jan Smit
    35. Lieke Martens
    34. Peter Fossen
    33. Peter Bosz
    32. Jan Dirk van der Zee
    31. Hakim Ziyech
    30. Boudewijn Poelmann
    29. Gijs de Jong
    28. Sarina Wiegman
    27. Guus Hiddink
    26. Frank Rutten
    25. Memphis Depay
    24. Jean-Marc Bosman
    23. Matthijs de Ligt
    22. Theo van Seggelen
    21. Robert Eenhoorn
    20. Rinus Michels
    19. Willem van Hanegem
    18. Georginio Wijnaldum
    17. Dick Advocaat
    16. Michael van Praag
    15. Erik ten Hag
    14. Ruud Gullit
    13. Toon Gerbrands
    12. Rob Jansen
    11. Johan Derksen
    10. Frenkie de Jong
    9. Louis van Gaal
    8. Marco van Basten
    7. Marc Overmars
    6. Eric Gudde
    5. Virgil van Dijk
    4. Edwin van der Sar
    3. Johan Cruijff
    2. Ronald Koeman
    1. Mino Raiola
     

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