€-Moneyball; High and Low Finance Football

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by Orange14, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
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    AFC Ajax
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    Netherlands
  2. FC Utrecht keeps on cashing on Sebastian Haller.
    https://www.ad.nl/transfer-talk/fc-utrecht-geniet-nog-steeds-van-spits-haller~a413c03f/
    They bought him for 750,000€€ which was a gamble as he was on a downward track in his career.
    It's funny how careers take their course sometimes.
    Didier Martel was scouting for FC Utrecht and was watching a defender at Auxerre. A row behind him Haller was sitting, feeling wasted. They had a chat and Haller was on his way to Utrecht.
    He blossomed up in the Eredivisie, so much French papers wrote about his resurrection. FC Utrecht sold him to Eintracht Frankfurt, where he kept on scoring.
    Because FC Utrecht put in a sell on clause of 12% in the deal, they now can cash another 6 million if the 50 million transfer to the epl takes place.

    It's a kind of story like that with Feyenoord and Pelle.
     
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  3. Orange14

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  4. I wonder if the EU rules for competition arenot violated by state subsidies, which in case of ManCity and PSG in my opinion is the case.
     
  5. Orange14

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    Netherlands
    Milan lost their appeal on the Europa League ban for this season at the Court of Arbitration. Finally a team gets sanctioned for violating the Financial Fair Play rules. Milan announced that they are accepting the result; of course they didn't have any choice.
     
  6. Orange14

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  8. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    Feyenoord
    Frank de Boer is right on this.
     
  9. He is right about the FIFA WC difference in earnings (his other examples are in my eyes iffy), but he shouldnot get his head into a wasp nest.
    The whole argument isnot rational, but emotional and embedded in American culture. He has no real contribution in the "debate" so why on earth do this.
     
  10. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    I thought it is American to let the market decide and pay people per performance....
     
  11. Not in team sport. There they're more like communists, making level playing fields by capping salaries etc. And making cartels of them.
     
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  12. Orange14

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    both the US men's and women's soccer leagues have salary caps.
     
  13. The Dutch bank RABO has announced it doesnot accept Pro soccer clubs anymore as new clients. The reason from a leaked internal note is the danger of getting involved with money laundring, corruption and fraud.
    That's quite funny as then the RABO bank also has to say goodbye to their most profitable clients that sponsor those clubs and or have skyboxes in them.
    I dunno if Feyenoord is client or has accounts there, but if you go that path it automatically smears the people involved with those clubs, as it of course are people not clubs that do those things. In fact RABO says it should seize to be a bank for business people as these are especially in rural regions involved with soccer clubs.
    In fact Jan Smit, former chairman of De Graafschap should terminate his financial ties with this bank for being slanderous.
    Heck, any businessman that respects himself should terminate relations with this bank.
     
  14. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
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    AFC Ajax
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    Netherlands
    Rory Smith has a good column in the NY Times today on the problems Juventus are having this transfer season. Because of the Ronaldo transfer last year and his wage bill along with the wage bills of a lot of other aging players and the de Ligt transfer this summer they are in a cash squeeze. Nobody wants to take players from them at high wages and they are even having trouble moving Dybala who does not fit in the team's plans this season. The club is still pretty much run by the Agnelli family and they don't have petro-€ money to backstop them.
     
  15. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
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    AFC Ajax
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    Netherlands
    Rory Smith writes about how loans are becoming the favorite way to circumvent financial fair play.
     
  16. https://www.ad.nl/nederlands-voetba...s-kunnen-bij-rabo-blijven-bankieren~a8b17fc2/
    RABO bank had a "good" talk with the KNVB, Eredivisie and Eerste Divisie management and the employers organisation FBO.
    RABO regrets they gave the impression the whole sector is dodgy, but still willnot accept new clients.

    I still would as a businessman or company with relations with a club as sponsor or whatever terminate my relation with that bank.
    You can't do business with people that smear your reputation.
     
  17. Blondo

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    Sep 21, 2013
    “Only the Big Five leagues in aggregate are profitable,” Deloitte concluded to UEFA. “Operating losses have increased across all other tiers, in aggregate...” - https://apnews.com/9d323a82c54c416eb9cfbe8c26f78c0e

    Some key findings about the wealth gap in European soccer:

    - the Big Five accounts for 74 percent of the 19.7 billion euros ($21.7 billion) generated by leagues across the continent

    - 47 teams account for 60 percent of the revenue generated by all 720 clubs in the 55 nations assessed by Deloitte

    - Big Five leagues banked 97 percent of the 2.4 billion euros ($2.6 billion) generated in non-domestic broadcast revenue by all European leagues in the 2017-18 season

    - transfers fees are not significantly filtering across the European game, with 67 percent of transfer spending, or 3.5 billion euros, circulating within the Big Five last season

    ...

    "...the Big Five has increasingly been a magnet for foreign talent, with more than a fifth of the players in those leagues coming from the rest of the continent last season.

    No country was impacted more than the Netherlands, which lost 50 players to the Big Five — a rise of 61 percent since the 2007-08 campaign. European champion Portugal is next on the list, with 49 players lost.

    The struggle keeping players at home is particularly acute for Belgium and Austria. They have experienced around a three-fold increase in the number of players going to the Big Five in a decade."
     
  18. Orange14

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    All EPL teams are pretty much profitable given the huge amount of TV money that flows in. The same cannot be said about the other four of the big leagues as there clubs in those leagues that are just breaking even or losing money. Other than Real Madrid and Barcelona, almost all other Spanish teams have to regularly sell players. Same thing in France and Germany (other than Bayern). Italy is a basket case with decaying stadiums and unattractive football. It would be interesting to be able to read the whole report.
     
  19. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
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    AFC Ajax
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    Netherlands
    The Swiss Ramble has a Twitter Thread today about television money received by the five largest UEFA countries and their clubs. This one graphic is most instructive (look at the clubs lying below Huddersfield Town):
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  20. https://www.vi.nl/nieuws/succesvol-ajax-seizoen-levert-ook-overmars-en-van-der-sar-miljoenen-op
    Marc Overmars heeft zich dankzij de nodige bonussen verzekerd van een jaarsalaris van ruim 2,3 miljoen euro. De directeur voetbalzaken van Ajax verdiende daarmee twee keer zoveel als algemeen directeur Edwin van der Sar, die over het voetbalseizoen 2018/19 bijna 1,2 miljoen euro opstreek. Dat blijkt uit het jaarverslag van de Amsterdammers.

    Someone in a comment said for that kind of money other people have to run a company with thousands of employees and more than a couple of billion in revenues.
     

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