Özil's Fenerbahçe Protégé - Hoş Geldin Arda Güler

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  1. Halycon

    Halycon Member+

    Aug 24, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Arda is better than Paz. Loaning out a player who has already proven himself on the highest level is stupid.
     
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  2. Burrows

    Burrows Member

    Real Madrid
    Jan 11, 2026
    Hahaha guys. I do not support the idea either. I was just talking about it with a friend who suggested it, so I wanted to check if I am being biased. I supported him here very often and see the player.

    The main argument still is that Arda needs to be a regular starter. We already had these discussions earlier this season after his strong start (wether Jude should play ahead of Arda).
     
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  3. Arslan

    Arslan Member

    Aug 23, 2014
    Club:
    Galatasaray SK
    Unless Arda insists on leaving I would definitely keep him. This season he has been useful in different positions and ended up starting far more often than most people expected. He even started in games alongside Bellingham, Valverde and Tchouameni. So it is possible to find room for him.

    With Paz and Endrick returning it remains to be seen how Arda will fit in. But right now he is ahead of them.
     
  4. Ssr9

    Ssr9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Nov 10, 2008
    Mali
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Mali
    To me Arda is not transferable.

    He is our smartest midfielder by far, and has the necessary personality imo to be a Real Madrid player. He still has room to improve but the quality and attitude is there.

    Not saying he's an indisputable starter, but he's one of our best assets by far.
     
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  5. dooda

    dooda Member+

    Jun 8, 2005
    Kuwait
    Club:
    Real Madrid
     
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  6. Lyra

    Lyra Member+

    Apr 29, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
     
  7. AppleBob86

    AppleBob86 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Jan 11, 2018
    Basically an early vacation with Militao to prepare for the WC.
     
  8. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
     
  9. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The entire interview is wonderful, you can tell why people in the club like him so much.
     
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  10. boeder

    boeder Member+

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Feb 27, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Bro wants to bring him to Chelsea :D
     
  11. Digital

    Digital Member+

    Dec 10, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Vin meh we won nothing, Kyliam meh we won nothing Fede meh we won nothing, Jude meh we won nothing, Tbo meh we won nothing, Tchou meh we won nothing, Cama meh we won nothing, TAA meh we won nothing, Rudiger meh we won nothing ....................Arda........awww he's such a good boy....lol
     
  12. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    OK then.
     
  13. MaxY

    MaxY Member+

    May 24, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Saying shit for the sake of saying shit, I don't remember a single person not being content with Tibo this season
     
  14. arcane

    arcane Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    Jupiter
    Are you okay?
     
  15. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    It's the very obvious bias shown here.
     
  16. WhiteRM

    WhiteRM Member+

    Real Madrid
    Jan 17, 2024
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  17. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid



    To be honest, I haven't seen much progress in his game since we got him. By all accounts he is a willing learner, so its not the Camavinga syndrome. But I don't think his mind is as quick as it needs to be when it comes to making decisions. Between that and his average athleticism, what he has is an elite shot and elite cross, which in the right system can be very useful.

    He also has a very accurate through ball, as long as the decision is straightforward. This can also be very useful for a counterattacking team as we saw in the previous season with Mbappe starting his runs at half the pitch.

    So if you make him a crucial piece, he can deliver some goods, even though the cost is not small given his physical shortcomings to be a two way player. But I honestly expected more development in terms of intelligent movement and creative decision making in the past two years. If someone offers big money for him, given that Bellingham is here to stay, I'd be quite tempted.
     
  18. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    He's a 21 year old that was given a leadership role for his country. Personally i think he's an incredible talent.
     
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  19. arcane

    arcane Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    Jupiter
    Too bad a lot of Madrid fans think he's the 1st name that needs to be dropped from the midfield.
     
  20. Burrows

    Burrows Member

    Real Madrid
    Jan 11, 2026
    In that shitty season, he has better stats in both the CL and La Liga than almost anyone else at the age of 21. His best games were against top teams like Juventus, Man City and Bayern (both games). He didn’t even play the season before. I don’t know what more you expected him to do as a midfielder in this season.
     
  21. Bear Crotch

    Bear Crotch Member+

    Jan 2, 2008
    Ohio, United States
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    It's most likely the firing of Xabi but when Guler was dropped Mbappe's form dropped as well. Those two have a special connection like Ozil and Cristiano did. We can't fail this kid again but hard decisions will have to be made.
     
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  22. arcane

    arcane Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    Jupiter
    If Arda played for another team, we would all be salivating on the thought of buying him.
     
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  23. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I wasnt talking about stats, I was talking about his game. I thought I stated clearly what more I expected. Stats can be deceiving as Mbappe shows.

    Ultimately he is an asset and we need to make a decision whether we cash in that asset and strengthen areas that are our weakness, or do we make him a centerpiece and cater the lineups and tactics to get the most out of him, which also involves significant roster chopping. I was thrilled when we signed him because hes a fantastic talent and it was evidence of some forward thinking. But hes also flawed as every youngster, and I havent seen these flaws addressed in the time he's been here.
     
  24. Burrows

    Burrows Member

    Real Madrid
    Jan 11, 2026
    I will pick up on some of your individual points.

    1. Average physicality and decision-making
    Regarding his average physicality, I fully agree with you. In the overall assessment, however, I do not think this is a decisive factor.

    When it comes to his decision-making, I only partly agree. I also think that, in some situations, making the decision half a second earlier would be ideal, which can be lethal in a football game. Still, this room for improvement should not diminish his overall creativity or his decision-making in fast-paced situations. Compared to when he first joined, he has also improved significantly even in these areas. His greatest strength is making the decisive, killer pass in counterattacking situations, as you already mentioned.

    He has often reacted quickly and initiated new, creative moves. Precise long balls, quick one-twos in tight spaces, crosses, deadly through balls, incredible vision, a great shot, and individual decisions adapted to the specific match situation all show the range of his game. I know you did not doubt this, but like I said, he has become more precise and more secure in his approach. These are all attributes that even Thierry Henry has praised as the qualities of a world-class player.

    For this, look at his highlight video. I do not like highlight videos because they can create a distorted perception. But in this case, it gives a good visual impression of what I mean. Pay attention to how different the situations are from one another.



    For example:
    -Minute 0:44: Play inside the box: Easy decision and good execution.
    -Minute 0:55: Controlled possession play: Outstanding decision and outstanding execution.
    -Minute 1:51: Counterattack: Easy decision but the execution is outstanding.
    -Minute 2:16: Lethal through ball: Good decision and good execution.
    -Minute 3:10: Lethal through ball: Very good decision and good execution.
    -Minute 3:32: Controlled build-up play from own half: Very good decision and outstanding execution.
    -Minute 3:52, 4:14, 4:40-4:54 and so on: Long diagonal passes across the field.
    -Minute 5:40: Counterattack: Simple Decision, but execution is outstanding.
    -Minute 5:50: Counterattack: He waits for a teammate and then plays the pass at exactly the right moment in a fast situation.
    -Minute 5:59: Controlled possession play: Outstanding decision and outstanding execution.

    Contrary to what you suggest, I am convinced that he regularly (not always) makes good and quick decisions precisely in complex situations and not only in straightforward ones. In my analysis, he has shown above-average decision-making. As I said at the beginning, there are still moments where he could decide faster. However, the execution of his decisions is almost unmatched. A coach like Xabi would be and has been fantastic for his development in terms of decision-making.

    2. Pressing
    The biggest improvement I see in him is his composure and overall security under pressure. I considered this his biggest weakness for his position. At times, especially in the beginning, he was vulnerable against strong pressing teams and looked hectic. This is an important parameter for his game.

    Even at the start of this season, he made some mistakes against Barca and Liverpool. But with growing confidence, he has earned more respect from opponents. Watch the Bayern match again, which was heavily focused on pressing. After a certain point, there was noticeably less pressing directed at Arda. Against Man City, too, he held his own very well under significant pressure. Some highlights from the video summarize this quite well

    3. Shooting
    I would like to raise one more point that I want to criticize. Even though I said above that he has a really good shot, it often takes him too long to actually load up and take that good shot. He needs too much time to unleash it. The Liverpool game is a good example of this.

    4. Conclusion
    His passing game, his precision, especially with difficult long balls, his shooting ability, and his football intelligence are unique. In my view, he has improved significantly, especially when it comes to dealing with pressing. While he can still make decisions faster in certain situations, his overall decision-making has steadily improved.

    I have the same dilemma regarding his position because of his elite long balls and at the same time his deadly through balls. I do not know whether it is worth centralizing the game around him. But I do know that every other team would buy Arda without hesitation.
     
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  25. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    His best position is at AM. But that's where Jude will be more productive as well. Other path is Arda develops into a hybrid midfielder.

    Opportunities and performance next season will probably decide his medium term future at RM.
     
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