Özil's Fenerbahçe Protégé - Hoş Geldin Arda Güler

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  1. Seoul Villan

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    Feb 16, 2011
    Is Guler playing in his best position? Is he being set up to play using his strengths? That’s what will be telling.
     
  2. 4x4s

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    That's not a priority.
     
  3. Seoul Villan

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    Feb 16, 2011
    Are we judging his performance based on playing him more of a RW in a 4-3-3 or as a MF in a 4-4-2?

    That’s my point. Playing him as a RW has shown that is not his best position, so expecting him to shine isn’t smart
     
  4. 4x4s

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    We're "judging" him based on how he plays.

    Others don't play their natural position in this club for almost their entire career and have to make it work. It's really the same for everybody.
     
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  5. arcane

    arcane BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Aug 18, 2005
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    Yeah but the club really should minimize doing that. They have bought too many players (or bought none) that can't play at their natural positions which is hurting the team.
     
  6. Seoul Villan

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    Feb 16, 2011
    Look at how well that’s working out for Camavinga, Rodrygo and to a lesser extent Mbappe/Fede.

    A young player like Guler needs a baseline of confidence before they can be shunted around like a misfit toy.
     
  7. 4x4s

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    Great players have performed for this club in multiple positions and plugged holes when needed. benzema played out of position for years and years.

    If you can only play one type of game, you usually end up playing the bench at this level.
     
  8. arcane

    arcane BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Aug 18, 2005
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    Another misleading post. The point Seoul Villain was about players playing out of position.

    4x4s has managed to sidestep the topic into the player can only play one type of game. Which is again disigeneous.

    If that was the case by his own example, Erling Haaland would be a bench player at this level.
     
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  9. 4x4s

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    Wonderful. I appreciate that you have nothing to contribute here anymore other than provide commentary to what other people say.
     
  10. arcane

    arcane BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Aug 18, 2005
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    Stay on topic pls.
     
  11. Ssr9

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    Benching him is better than sticking him to the right side of the pitch.
    He's absolutely useless like this.
    If you just need someone to work hard off the ball....Arba is not the guy.
    Don't know what Carlo is thinking....
     
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  12. 4x4s

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    He played centrally against Barca and absolutely shrunk under the occasion. Proper melted.

    I don't get why people are so convinced that a coach will see a better player that will win them games and decide to not play them.

    Most of the time it's either somebody else in the way (if Bellingham wants to play centrally Guler can kiss that one goodbye for example), or the player is simply not there yet.
     
  13. .halamadrid2.

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    Nov 5, 2010
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    That's incorrect. He played as a right midfielder against Barca. He should really have played centrally in midfield. Seems pointless to stick him out on the wing. Quite a few times I saw Lucy's ahead of him or more centrally while Arda was playing as an extra RB.
     
  14. MerlinRM

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    I don't see him at the club in 3 yrs.
     
  15. 4x4s

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    If it's either play through the middle or not at all, not at all seems very likely given the competition.
     
  16. Ssr9

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    I saw him play right midfield.

    Put Pedri in the situation Arda was yesterday and see what happens....a team not playing any coherent football, stuck to the right side covering for Lucas Vasquez....

    Role matters man... no one thinks Arda is Zidane....but he has great talent that should be used properly.

    Of course there are extraordinary players who can play great everywhere but you're acting like that's the norm.
     
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  17. Seoul Villan

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    Feb 16, 2011
    Has anyone looked good on the RW for the last 6-7 seasons? Last player was Bale in the 2017/18?
     
  18. AppleBob86

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    Jan 11, 2018
    Yeah, this is another Odegaard, the difference being that Guler has been given his chance in important games and vanished like a magician's apprentice. Odegaard didn't get those chances.
     
  19. Seoul Villan

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    Feb 16, 2011
    The thing that worries me about Guler is his physical capabilities.

    He doesn’t look strong, (muscles are not the answer) and just seems a touch too slow, with his movements - first step, turn, ect.

    He’s got talent. No doubt but there is a basic physical ability that’s required in professional football. He’s just seems borderline there to me.

    I’d like to see what a season under Xabi looks like. If he can’t get him any better, probably no one can and he will land at a much smaller club.
     
  20. 4x4s

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    He's taller than Endrick and plays in a position where that's less of a factor. He'll be fine.
     
  21. Digital

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    Here's some fodder for the "you're just mad" people, every week for years you and others have judged Rodrygo based on him playing RW which as far as i know is not and never has been his natural position and never a word about it not being so, no excuses, as it should be, he was young too, what's the difference now re Arda?, if you get to play you get to play and you have to perform, especially if they are better options in your supposed "best"or "preferred" position no?
     
  22. RMrules

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    Aug 12, 2019
    i dont get the hype.....he looks like a child out there,people sayng that he can replace Modric or became this teams main central midfiedler i mean what the f......he looks so bad most of the time as a right winger/right midfielder which are his best positions....i dont get the hype

    he needs to go on loan,this guy is not even another Odegaard at this point because Odegaard was at some point one of the best midifielders in the league ..this guy is like a 16 year old Kubo hype for no reason
     
  23. robertocarlos3

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    Jan 9, 2012
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    Also half the weight of Endrick, that's where it becomes a problem.
     
  24. MaxY

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    Are we gonna act like Modric is a heavyweight? Kid turned 20 a few months ago, he gain gain some strength, muscles and a bit of weight.
     
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  25. arcane

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    Aug 18, 2005
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    Ozil wasnt the strongest guy either. Arda isnt playing as a DM so this argument that he is physically weak is meh.
     

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