Bradley: Staying American

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by purojogo, Aug 23, 2006.

  1. PALE568

    PALE568 Member

    Jun 5, 2003
    mind your own.
    I agree with you, dude. I was trying to show how silly his premise is.
     
  2. gherter

    gherter Member

    Sep 16, 2002
    Leesburg, Virginia
    I think Peter Nowak eats at McDonalds sometimes. Is that American enough? :p
     
  3. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    The next coach will likely be gone by the time the new CBA expires.
     
  4. deron

    deron New Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Centennial, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, because Trecker would advocate for a US born coach?!:rolleyes:

    Trecker would be the first to state that all things US are inferior.
     
  5. deron

    deron New Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Centennial, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's a link in an earlier thread, (two weeks old maybe?) to a BBC interview with Snowden. In the broadcast they interviewed an English guy as well, who argued the same point Bradley is making here. Basically he argued, the English team needed an English coach who appreciated the English approach and style. He felt Erickson's approach had been a mis-match with the English player. Many will say he's just a bad coach, but no one could fault Erickson's resume. Is the argument bunk for England as well? Do they need a foreign coach?
     
  6. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They need a coach who isn't a complete muppet.Jury's still out on McClaren.
     
  7. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The argument is bunk. They don't "need" a foreign coach .......... they simply need the RIGHT coach, whether foreign or not. And that's all that most people here are saying. Remember, Bradley's premise is that we NEED an American coach. Most of us are just arguing that limiting yourself to only American coaches is a foolish idea. Plus, the list of experienced American coaches is much shorter than the list of English coaches, for the obvious reasons.
     
  8. deron

    deron New Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Centennial, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That seems fairly obvious, and I agree with that for any nation. The thrust, between the lines anyway a - dubious I acknowledge but for arguements sakes -, the thrust of it is that the odds are very against the right coach not being English no matter how internationally respected.

    So there's a possibility that these same people might concede that the best coach could be a yank?
     
  9. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure. Nowak. Nicol. Yallop. All good Amer....Opps...

    So. We are left with Bradley and Big Dave in Chicago on most people's list.

    Concede. Yes. Realisitic. No.
     
  10. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Viduka said that the FA should have hired Hiddink and he obviously had experience with both McLaren and Guus (among many other coaches).

    Prem and CCC have 44 teams, each of which arguably has a superior coach to anyone who's currently coaching in MLS, with a probable exception of Peter Nowak.

    Plus, there are a ton of the English team ex-coaches - from Graham to Reid to Hoddle to Curbishley to O'Leary to Hodgson to Keegan that are far more qualified than the Bob Bradleys and the Sigi Schmids.
     
  11. USA4Life

    USA4Life Member

    Feb 10, 2002
    Only one real question to ask:
    Come the Spring of 2010 and some of the key players from qualifying are playing poorly will you have the courage to sit them down and play the players that are on top of their game regardless of their experience?

    I think a good option would be to have one coach "MLS coach" take the team through qualifying and have another take the team to the WC.
     
  12. deron

    deron New Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Centennial, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you think that had Bradley clearly included those coaches because of their history with US players, that there would be lots of posts about how correct he is?
     
  13. Papin

    Papin BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 19, 1998
    le côté obscur
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    so, American soccer is more organized than ever, has a professional league, and has a much better idea of young talent than ever before...
    certainly a better situation for scouting and player selection than, say, 1994. In fact, day and night, wouldn't you say?

    Wait, didn't we have a foreign-born coach from 1991-94? How on earth did Bora ever manage to understand the American system? As we all know, it's impossible for someone who comes from outside of the system to comprehend the American approach to the world's game. Right Jeff?
     
  14. Bigdudeduke

    Bigdudeduke New Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Chicago Suburbs
    That's good enough for me; hell, Burger King would fill the bill!
     
  15. johnh00

    johnh00 Member

    Apr 25, 2001
    CT, USA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Holy crap...did you people read the article? Did you even read the first post in this thread??? :confused:

    "The reality is, the coach of the U.S. national team needs to be American. And if not American-born, then at the very least American bred..."

    The point he is trying to make is that the coach of the team needs to understand the unique US situation, which is quite a bit different then most countries'. His suggestion is not saying the coach has to be American. Nowak, Sigi, Nicol, Yallop, Klinsman all have significant experience in the US, and understand the limitations and advantages of our system.

    Now, I'm not saying I agree with him (I think a good coach from abroad would learn to live with our system - it has a lot of good points as well as shortcomings), but to say he's trying to promote his brother for the job is a pretty weak argument.

    Lee
     
  16. szazzy

    szazzy Member

    Apr 18, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Yes we read it and the idea that only an American "bred" coach can take over this team is ludicrous and transparent code for "Nowak/Klinnsman/Nicol/Yallop isn't even "American" enough, and it needs to be my brother instead". Bob Bradley would be the leading American "bred" candidate, but obviously the other 4 I named are very acclimated with the US system and its players...if there's even any validity in that (which there isn't).

    In what way would a foreigner be unable to understand what American talent looks like? Seriously give me one example. US Coaches always say this, but no one ever has a specific example of what only an American will "get". Will the World Cup pool of players not be in MLS or Europe? Yeah that sounds so hard to scout and understand. :rolleyes:
     
  17. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is it that you think Peter Nowak is superior to Bob Bradley as a coach? Because he is European? Because he played the game at the highest levels?
     
  18. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    The starting pool will be Euro based. The rotational squad will probably be 50/50.

    With that in mind, a new US coach may have to play more friendlies in Europe without dragging the stars over the ocean rather than use an MLS based roster to play Cupcakes in the MLS offseason.
     
  19. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But that's the point for me. There IS NO American coach that is ready at the moment. If there were, we'd be discussing him, I'm sure. In another thread about this (or is it earlier in this one ........... eh, i'm too lazy to look), someone brought up Sigi Schmid when talking about Americans who are qualified for the job. My point then and now is that if people are using Sigi as a serious candidate in the discussion of American coaches(and yes, I know he has German roots), then it's almost proof-positive that we're scraping the bottom of the barrel in domestic candidates.
     
  20. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I think he's superior because of both his past as a player and his turnaround of a very poor DC team. Bradley's best years were with the Fire and they are falling into distant memories. He did poorly in New York and is doing OK with a very talented Chivas team.

    Also, as to a mention a few posts back about the guys like Bradley and Sarachan having a history with the US players...I'm not so sure that's a point in their favor. The team started coasting and played with little heart and urgency. I'm thinking an outisder to come in and crack the whip is warrented. Not, another one of the guys to try and keep everybody happy happy. A little shake up never hurt any old boys club.
     
  21. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    http://www.mlsnet.com/MLS/standings/
     
  22. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, a coach is judged only be his most recent performance? That's a fair, if simplistic viewpoint. Of course, I know you don't really believe that and are just being cute -- at least as you see it.
     

  23. Yes, because since 1966 the English under English coaches has been a joke on the international scene, so they turned to Erikson for succes, because of his scientific approach of soccer. And to be honest, the only reason the English failed under his reign was because of stupid red cards collected by Beckham against Argentine and by Rooney against Portugal. But the xenophobic English trash press forgot that. So if you want to take an example by the English than I think you will have to wait a long time for succes.
     
  24. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the Beckham red card was in a prior reign. But you are absolutley correct that it is hard to judge Erickson given that the Rooney red card was a key factor in England's "failure."
     
  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I find it ironic that, after reading the first 15 posts, the discussion here is silly and screechy while the discussion of the same topic in General is worthwhile (by BS standards anyway.)
     

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