Stoitchkov Tackle Video!!

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by doliveti, Apr 4, 2003.

  1. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Re: A semi-serious question ...

    Let me be more explicit. I've got the video. Who wants to post it?
     
  2. cl_hanley

    cl_hanley New Member

    Sep 3, 2001
    Costa Mesa
    The picture is actually the moment before the moment of impact. If you picture a 2x4 piece of wood at a 45° angle being struck in the center by another 2x4 and caving in you have a good idea about what happened.
     
  3. Lanky134

    Lanky134 New Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    134, 3, 6
    But you can see that it's a 50-50 ball (even though the ball is not in view) not two-footed and from behind.
     
  4. Stevedm

    Stevedm Red Card

    Jan 19, 2000
    Chicago
    Shocking!!!!!!!! Some of the jackasses on here were talking about suing the guy. Bunch of idiots. A very hard tackle and bad luck is probably what it was. Let's shoot the idiots on here like Mario Kempes.
     
  5. Mason16

    Mason16 Member

    Apr 11, 2001
    South Florida
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: A semi-serious question ...

    email? dcunited16@hotmail.com
     
  6. viperdiablo21

    viperdiablo21 Member

    Jul 20, 2002
    yeah, if it's not too much trouble coudl you send it my way too? thanks either way....the still-frame somewaht explains it... email me4chi@yahoo.com
     
  7. mpruitt

    mpruitt Member

    Feb 11, 2002
    E. Somerville
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    thats not working in the least. i dunno why not but isnt.
     
  8. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    Paging Bill Archer:

    You want to watch that video and lecture us all on two-footed tackles from behind yadda yadda yadda.

    Don't mean to single you out, but you were one of the loudest, "I haven't seen it, but he should be banned" voices.

    Now that I have seen it, I can say:

    1. very bad tackle

    2. deserving of a red card

    3. deserving of some sort of fine and reasonable suspension.

    4. not from behind

    5. not two-footed studs up. Okay, one-footed studs up, but the ball was in the air, and they BOTH went high for it and HS was late.

    6. somewhat ridicuolous in the context of a scrimmage against a college team, but certainly not the criminal assault many people were calling for without the benefit of actually seeing the play.

    I have seen more sinsiter tackles in MLS, but the results just weren't as dire.

    Now lets set a penalty and move on.
     
  9. Stogey23

    Stogey23 Member+

    Dec 12, 1998
    San Diego, CA
    Define "not working in the least". Were you able to download it? If so, that's way past "in the least".

    Do you have Quicktime installed? Did you right click and save?

    It seems like it's working for others...can you follow directions?
     
  10. mpruitt

    mpruitt Member

    Feb 11, 2002
    E. Somerville
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    windows media, im not on my own computer at the moment so i dunno. but it just scrolls through and says done. doesnt even download.
     
  11. Stogey23

    Stogey23 Member+

    Dec 12, 1998
    San Diego, CA
    I guess the answer to my question is a big fat NO.
     
  12. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Windows Media player is not able to play quicktime files. It does not have the appropriate codecs anymore. Used to be the case that microsoft and apple used the same set of codecs for video compression in avi and mov files, but that is no longer the case, and Apple has decided (in it's infinite wisdom) that it is better that their software alone be used to view these files.
     
  13. BerwynBlazers

    BerwynBlazers Member

    Jul 23, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. juice013

    juice013 New Member

    Mar 28, 2003
    Toronto
    The challenge certainly was not criminal, but was REALLY stupid, especially considering the fact that it was a meaningless match. I think it looks like he was trying to do some damage, but probably not break bones. A decent fine and a few games suspension should be good enough.
     
  15. Lightning Slow

    Lightning Slow New Member

    Feb 17, 2003
    my lovely bomb shelter
    Yeah and Microsoft (in its infinite wisdom) has done the same thing with their proprietary format(s). The wonders of the modern information age - sigh.
     
  16. mpruitt

    mpruitt Member

    Feb 11, 2002
    E. Somerville
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    just got it to work. was he going for the ball or the kid's leg, it's hard to tell. either way that was pretty vicious tackle, bu it wasn't the two legged dive bomb i thought it was/would be.
     
  17. CrewToon

    CrewToon Member

    Jun 13, 1999
    Greenbrier Farm
    I just watched the video...

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    That's pretty much how I feel.

    Ugly? Yes.
    Hard? Yes.
    Avoidable? Yes.
    Cardable? Yes.
    Intentional? Can't tell.
    Suspendable? Probably, especially given all the PR that this thing has gotten.
    Criminal? No.

    That said, I still maintain that a player of Stotchkov's talent and experience should have known better, especially since it was a freindly against younger, amateur players and because as a coach he should be setting an example.
     
  19. Virginian

    Virginian Member

    Sep 23, 1999
    Denver, Co
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The way this thing has been blown up, I would have thought he ran the entire length of the field to cut the boy down.

    Heck, it was virtually a 50/50 ball. No way I suspend a guy for that kind of tackle.

    Its a shame what happened, but, I can't think it was intentional from that video (no Ty Keough intent comment needed).

    BWG
    Richmond, VA
     
  20. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    It's a little grainy, but watch the film again closely, and re-wind it frame by frame several times.

    Watch Freddy's head at the moment of contact.

    Back . . . and to the left

    Back . . . and to the left

    :)


    Seriously, they both have a high boot with HS getting there late, but it looks to me that at the moment of contact that HS is turning to put a hip check on the kid.

    While a bit childish in a scrimmage, I think that is the extent of his intent.
     
  21. Rodan

    Rodan New Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Providence
    Anyone who's watched Hristo for the last year or so knows this kind of thing has become more common with him. It's frustration at not being able to keep up with the play (and it's not a 50/50 ball when you go through the other guy's leg to get at it). Hristo is a seasoned pro who knows how to use his body for good or ill.

    This was just a college kid guys. Stoitchkov should be suspended for sure. But really it's time for him to retire.

    On another note...that Jim Rome movie is just about the funniest thing I've ever seen (and now I know why he wheres the cheesy goatee).
     
  22. Stevedm

    Stevedm Red Card

    Jan 19, 2000
    Chicago
    Who cares if it was a college kid??? There are players in MLS YOUNGER than this kid. Obviously you a skirt wearing soccer player. Thankgod the majority of us aren't so pinko!!
     
  23. mpruitt

    mpruitt Member

    Feb 11, 2002
    E. Somerville
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    god damn. chicago fire supporters of this guy are a lot like all the people that said O.J. was innocent.
     
  24. Deimos

    Deimos Member

    Apr 23, 1999
    Louisville, KY, USA
    I'm pretty sure I saw O.J. in the stands. (With a skirt on)
     

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