RMC Part 3: RSL at Rapids, POSTGAME 9 August [R]

Discussion in 'Real Salt Lake' started by Ismitje, Aug 9, 2006.

  1. Ryantherusskie

    Mar 17, 2006
    Where it's kept Real
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's mystifying to me that Rapids fans are slamming Garlique for being "classless" for denying Thiago or Petke the ball. What's more classless, that, or grabbing the ball to taunt the opponent you just scored on (an utterly meaningless goal, at that.)? :confused:
     
  2. RapidStorm

    RapidStorm Member+

    Jan 30, 2005
    Denver, CO
    What he did in the scrum that happened after picking the ball up.

    It wasn't a matter of grabbing the ball out of routine, it was a matter of Garlick looking over his shoulder, seeing the Rapids going for the ball and foxtrotting over in a nonchalant, cocky way to pick it up and hold it away from them. After Petke tried to get the ball, Garlick started talking to him (obviously we couldn't hear the words, but from both players' facial expressions you could tell it was an incindiery comment of sorts) and continued to egg on Petke to continue the shoving match, well aware that referees will never give a red card in that situation to a goalie. Was it smart of Garlick? Sure. But at the same time, he was deliberately trying to subvert any notions of gamesmanship.

    Couple that with the usual Garlick tricks of timewasting and a couple of jestures to the supporting sections, and yes, I have no choice to call him classless. Keep in mind, we had him here for a while and we know his tricks; I hated it then and I hate it more now.

    Yes, and both of them have held the Rocky Mountain Cup, and will get to fly it back from Salt Lake again in September;). Come on, we've tried to be informative and graceful in the loss, no need for your smack.
     
  3. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No need for smack? You do realize RSL just had its biggest win in its history over the Crapids, right?
    If we don't talk smack, there is something wrong.

    But seriously, thats amazing that you guys went from 0 to 2 supporter clubs in 12 months. Truly amazing. Only took 11 years.
     
  4. rabble-rabble

    rabble-rabble Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    West Jordan, UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I got the impression Petke was just trying to quickly grab the ball and run with it back to midfield to get the game restarted quickly. Sort of thing you see all the time from the team that score that is still behind and has little time remaining and wants to avoid precious seconds ticking off the clock.
     
  5. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    This was the case. It was interesting that the Rapids didn't give up the game so late. They were really pushing for the second goal hard. In fact, Cannon went into the box for a corner - and the 4th goal was because he was up field out of position... he was trucking back and ran into Brian Hall - then Hunter stopped the initial shot but it fell to Brown(?) who put it by a moving Cannon.
     
  6. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    It certainly seemed that the Rapids played harder when down 3-0 then they had at most any other time during the game. Perhaps a loss is one thing, but a potential embarrassment woke them up big time. I think that's a good sign for how the team might rebound from the last two games (not the nonchalance early but the fire late). I wonder if Terry Cooke is starting to wear down, and can't figure the continued use of Kirovski (but that's hardly a new subject for Rapids fans, as I've read on your board for oh, more than a season).
     
  7. Ryantherusskie

    Mar 17, 2006
    Where it's kept Real
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hmm. That's an interesting take. I didn't see it happen, but it would be easy to make that assumption. You know that it's not unheard of for the attacker to grab the ball like a trophy, like a hunter mounting Bambi on the wall of his double-wide after "shootin' it"!
     
  8. tabramos10

    tabramos10 New Member

    Jul 1, 2001
    SLC
    well yeah but when you're still losing after scoring you're not usually about to grab the ball to do an elaborate celebration, you just want to get the ball back to half field quickly so the winning team can't stall (like Garlick did)
     
  9. Repped!
     
  10. RapidStorm

    RapidStorm Member+

    Jan 30, 2005
    Denver, CO
    That would work if Petke had scored...; but no, they were trying to get back upfield quick because they felt, 2 men down, 10 minutes left, that somehow they would get another two goals. So yes, rabble's take is the correct one. Looks stupid now, but I personally applaud them for still giving a damn when the game had clearly ended in the 75th minute.
     
  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like you won't be laughing at all this season then, because RSL's 4th goal is meaningless in the RMC standings, but if the Rapids had managed to score instead it would have had an effect on the possible outcomes. So Cannon was attempting to get a goal that meant something, risking only giving up a meaningless goal.

    Standings as they are now:
    4 pts each, RSL leads on GD so they will win the RMC on any draw on Labor Day weekend


    Standings if RSL had won 3-1 instead of 4-1 (Cannon stays back)
    4 pts each, RSL leads on GD so they would win win the RMC on any draw on Labor Day weekend

    Standings of RSL had won 3-2 (Cannon comes up and the Rapids score)
    4 pts each, tied on GD, RSL leads on away goals by 1 away goal, so RSL would win the RMC in a 0-0 or 1-1 draw on Labor Day, but the Rapids would win the RMC in the case of a 2-2 or greater draw.

    I don't believe Cannon thought the Rapids had any chance to get a result when he came up at the end of the game, so the only reasons for him to do it were pride and the possibility that he knew that only losing by a goal would help the RMC chances. I was excited to see that he was taking the game that seriously, and I don't regret at all the fact that it cost us a goal

    (Plus, seeing him run over Brian Hall on the way back to the goal made it worth it)
     
  12. fuegote

    fuegote Member

    May 15, 2005
    I would have loved the chance to watch this match for so many reasons. It had fights, ejections, goals, slap stick comedy...

    <sigh>
     
  13. Steve H.

    Steve H. Member

    Aug 6, 2003
    Utah
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    Slovenia
    This is good reasoning, but do we have any reason to think that the Rapids players care at all about the Rocky Mountain Cup, enough to think about goal differential, away goals, etc.?

    I think it's a lot simpler, and it has to do with the MLS standings instead of the Rocky Mountain Cup standings. Cannon was playing up for the remote chance that it would help his team score and go within one goal. Or maybe Cannon himself was thinking about getting a chance to score on a deflection, a la Brad Friedel. Either way, playing up risked nothing of consequence (unless Colorado and RSL end up tied for 4th in the division, and RSL wins by goal differential).

    In other words, the same reason that hockey teams almost invariably pull their goalies with one minute to go and down by one or two goals.

    And to the posters who think that Petke was probably chasing the ball to show off -- don't you guys watch soccer? When a team down by two or three goals gets a late goal, they almost ALWAYS run into the goal to get the ball and bring it back to the center circle.
     
  14. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's one description of the Rapids play last night. Or were you referring to actualy comedy that I missed? ;)
     
  15. Lizzie Bee

    Lizzie Bee Member+

    Jul 27, 2004
    Utah
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some of us consider the Rapids futbol to be slapstick comedy all the time...
     
  16. RonNation

    RonNation New Member

    Aug 1, 2006
    Tooele, Utah
    Has anybody found any video highlights of this match yet?
     
  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey now, I've been playing nice. Or do you want me to start comparing Cannon's willingness to come into the box to get a goal to what your keeper did in the Open cup match? ;)
     
  18. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    We've got mixed reports on this. Some in attendance claim the lack of Garlick going forward was in fact a coaching decision (Ellinger), others think that our assistant coach was shouting for both Garlick and Forko to go forward but they didn't, while still others believe that not only did Garlick not go forward, but he shouted for Forko to stay back when the rookie started forward. So it would be tough to accurately poke fun at that one except to say it was wrong from all standpoints - who was wrong will remain a mystery!
     
  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I can pretty accurately say it wasn't Garlick's fault since Nolly was between the pipes for the U.S. Open Cup match. ;)
     
  20. Merk

    Merk Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    15th &amp; 15th
    Oh snap!
     
  21. Blitzz Supporter

    May 23, 2004
    Centerville
    I watched the highlights on KSL Wednesday night and yesterday. They either bought the video from a Denver affiliate or sent a camera over there. Keep checking www.KSL.com , they might put it on there.
     

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