Sebastian Mila not going to Antalyaspor, Fire not ruled out (either is ANY team)

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by milicz, Jul 14, 2006.

  1. Bigdudeduke

    Bigdudeduke New Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Chicago Suburbs
    If you were him, would you? What decent European player in his right mind would want to play for Sarachan? The biggest plus we have is the quality of life in the USA and the Polish community in Chicago. The inconsistent and lackluster play of the FIRE isn't exactly a drawing card.
     
  2. russ99

    russ99 Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Chi-town
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    As much as I hate to say this - Mila wouldn't be really getting that kind of exposure he wants to warrant a higher squad placement with Poland by playing for the Fire.

    I'd love to see a Bundesliga team take a shot with him. Schalke has history of developing good Polish players...
     
  3. bing1985

    bing1985 Member

    Jun 14, 2004
    Near West ChiSuburbs
    But - they've all passed. I don't believe any of them have shown an interest. If he get significant time now in Austria, well all number of things are possible for him. I was simply commenting on the reports that had him on trial for a backup job at Southhapmton.

    My point, and I believe you agree, is that he needs to be PLAYING - not sitting - where every he lands. Better to play here than sit in England, or even Germany. But if he'll play in Austria, that's probably best for him over all.
     
  4. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    Beenhakker, the former T&T coach now has the Polish NT job. Beenhakker had Cornell Glen and Avery John on the T&T team, both MLS players. So I would hope that Mila would still be on Beenhakker's radar if he was in MLS.
     
  5. russ99

    russ99 Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Chi-town
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Very good point. Mila still needs to play top quality football (what the Fire need too, plus I'd love to see him here) to make the starting XI. So I guess it's still possible...
     
  6. Super Sting

    Super Sting Member

    Jan 27, 2006
    As much as I love the Polish peoples and believe me I do. If we are going to get a foreign international the Fire should get the best Mexicans they can afford. If anything these recent international MLS games have proven is that Mexicans will come out en masse for soccer. They have a great passion for it. And although the Poles are rabid soccer supporters in Poland There are not enough of them in Chicago (compared to mexicans) and not enough willing to come on a regular basis.
     
  7. SixKick

    SixKick Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 13, 2000
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Hi, my name is Bryant. I see you're new to this team/city/league.
     
  8. Kozy

    Kozy tHE pOPULAR fRONT

    Oct 13, 2004
    check.
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wrong, the Polska's are the same as the Mexican fans reguarding football. I refer you to the Poland vs. Mexico match at SF. Well, the Polish fans are generally larger as well. :rolleyes:
     
  9. Super Sting

    Super Sting Member

    Jan 27, 2006
    Bryant,
    Actually quite the contrary. I am born and raised in Chicago, have been supporting the team since the first season and have been a season ticket holder for the last five years. Since the Fire signed Campos they haven't been able to secure a player who would appeal to the Mexican fans. Whether or not they are trying I don't know. But if they have been trying, it has been eight freakin years!

    On the flip said we have had the Polish trinity, the Slovakian wunderkind Reiter, A few younger eastern european players or who had ee backgrounds Wolyniec, Daniv, Kovalenko, Razov, etc.. None of which have really helped to bring in any large numbers of any ethnicity.

    The Polish fans who used to be prominent in the first three seasons, have virtually dried up. At least from my vantage point. That being, I used to notice them at games and now see hardly any.

    And as many Poles as there are in Chicago there are at least twice as many Mexicans. And the Mexicans come out in larger numbers. Compare the crowd sizes when Polish teams played the Fire compared to Mexican teams. When the Fire played Legia Warsaw, probably the most successful Polish team in recent years they had little over 10K. I don't think any Mexican team drew fewer. Toluca even brought in 13K.

    Now, if you have something constructive to say lets hear it. Otherwise take your sarcasm and stick it up your mangina.
     
  10. Super Sting

    Super Sting Member

    Jan 27, 2006
    Kozy,
    I was at that game and the U.S. - Poland game too. And the Mexican-Ireland game, etc... I am not saying that there are not a lot of Polish fans who will come out for a big game, but there is a larger Mexican population and on a regular basis they come out more for soccer. For the majority of Poles at those international games it is more about some Polish kid wearing his Polish Cat in the Hat hat than it is about soccer. For the Mexicans, you have the nationalism element, plus a club element, look in Chicago you have large contingents of Chivas, America, Morelia, Cruz Azul fans who would come out regularly.
     
  11. Kozy

    Kozy tHE pOPULAR fRONT

    Oct 13, 2004
    check.
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The one common denominater between all fans from around the globe is a team that wins often, (see Chelsea). It really does'nt matter where a player is from, as long as he's good with the club. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Super Sting

    Super Sting Member

    Jan 27, 2006
    Kozy,
    Chelsea is like the Cubs, even if they lost people would want to see the All-Star roster. There are many European teams that win a lot and still don't draw crowds. I don't think the Fire have the money to assemble an all star team or MLS wouldn't even let them if they did, on the other hand we could sign two or three prominent Mexicans and draw in an additional 10K every game.

    Also by your logic, if people watch Chelsea because they are winners, and the MLS beat Chelsea, now people will watch MLS! Brilliant.

    Actually, we may get a few new fans, but nothing notable.
     
  13. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    I guess you somehow never noticed that big Mexican names draw huge crowds for the first game, and then never come back, being a fan from way back in the day and all.

    Poles in Chicago don't care about the EK in Poland for the most part, therefore they are easier to switch to MLS. Not so with Mexican fans (but you knew that).
     
  14. Kozy

    Kozy tHE pOPULAR fRONT

    Oct 13, 2004
    check.
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chelsea is designed to win, the cubs are designed to lose.

    Roman has the money and invests it in the product, Tribune has the money and invests it in lies.

    aww, a baby bear....loveable fn' losers
     
  15. Super Sting

    Super Sting Member

    Jan 27, 2006
    Milicz,
    I remember the first year that there were a lot of Mexican fans, especially when Campos was there. After the first year there were no Mexican players thus no Mexican fans. So your point is?

    The Poles I know, granted they are older 30+ actually follow Europe way more than MLS, actually few of them even watch MLS. Maybe the younger Poles follow MLS, I don't know.

    Are you Polish? If so I can understand how you would want Poles on the team. But as far as bringing kulos or dupas into the stadium, the Fire would be better off catering to the Mexican population.
     
  16. Super Sting

    Super Sting Member

    Jan 27, 2006
    Milicz,
    Watch the attendance for the Fire Chivas game. I bet it will be one of the best attended games, (outside of the home opener) for this year. I know a few Mexicans at work who are going just for Chivas, they would typically never come to a Fire game.
     
  17. Kozy

    Kozy tHE pOPULAR fRONT

    Oct 13, 2004
    check.
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm Polish, and it does'nt matter who they bring in unless it's someone they can't afford anyway. The players we can bring in won't be the big draw because those players are'nt big enough names. Even if we get rid of 3 players and max the salary cap, we won't be able to afford, say, Frankowski.

    We have a great squad, now, if we only had someone to coach them.
     
  18. go go fire

    go go fire New Member

    Apr 9, 2002
    Chicago
    True !!!
     
  19. chiladd

    chiladd Member+

    Mar 21, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Why would anyone want to sign a player that would either take up a SI roster spot or cost big bucks based simply on that it may translate into a few more buts in the stands.Seriously, i could care less what the attendance is when it comes to signings.I care more about a good product on the field, if that means signing quality young europeans who wont put buts int eh seats.. but will help transform this club into a dynasty then so be it.

    As far as Campos... you lost all credibility even mentioning his name... seriously.Ante and Dema may not have translated into "huge" numbers at the gate... but they have done way more for this team then little jorgina ever could imagine.If were going to sign south of the border players I say lets ignore Mexico and focus on central america.. not because it will bring more fans.but because the probability of getting a quality player for a good price is more likely.
    There is NO MEXICAN player who is heads above more talented then any US or MLS player to warrant paying the sums they want.Its insane to think that a team should pay buckets of cash to guys who may not even be able to hack it in this league (no mexican player has yet proven they can play consistenlty well in MLS).
    The Fire should focus on your Mila type players in Europe and keep that ever so vigilant eye out in central america.its best just to ignore mexican signings all together-over priced-over hyped -and very little talent for the $$.
     
  20. feuerfex

    feuerfex Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    I think Bob Bradley might disagree with this assertion.

    Six players have started every match - three are mexican - so much for consistency.

    Second, third, fifth, and sixth leading goal scorers are mexican.

    Second, third, and fourth leading assist leaders are mexican.

    Four of five game winning assists credited to mexicans.

    Not only do they have one mexican playing consistently well, they have four.

    (And that doesn't even include Ramon Ramirez.)
     
  21. Super Sting

    Super Sting Member

    Jan 27, 2006
    Chiladd,
    Why would we want a player who would bring fans to the team? Are you that big of a moron! I'll let you in on a little secret. Soccer is a business. And as much as I would like a winning and successful team. You can have a winning team and if fans don't show up there will be no more team. Go talk with some San Jose fans.

    Feuerfox did a good job pointing out the successes of Mexican players, so I don't even need to address that.

    I have nothing against good Easter European players, but I am curious as to why the Fire seems unable or unwilling to bring in any big name Mexican players.

    Also, if the Mexican league and Mexican players are so overhyped, why do they keep kicking our ass in club play. MLS teams are lucky to get past the Joe Public teams.

    And to those who think the Fire have a good team at the moment, are you kidding me. Keep blaming the coach.
     
  22. chiladd

    chiladd Member+

    Mar 21, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nice Try...
    but a lowly little Croatian American who "doesnt draw fans" is the guy leading in both goals and game winning goals.You would have to add up every "mexican" goal on chivas to surpass Razov's total.. and then that is only by one.Heck.. Razov has never been known as a playmaker... and HE STILL has more assists then any mexican on the chivas and has about 25% of his teams totals on that end.
    Playing minutes doesnt mean one is consistent except for that they get game time.Consistency is about results.. and the Chivas mexicans are barely getting that... Palencia has 200 more game minutes then Razov and is nowhere near his totals-all the while he's raking in more then any other MLS player-again Juan Pablo Garcia makes nearly twice as much and has more playing time then Ante -yet has less goals and assists.

    The previous poster used Ante as an example of supposed Fire pandering to eastern europeans (wonder who our all time leading scorer is?) .The simple fact is players like Ante are the ones who will make or break a team in a championship run-as a fan that is what I care about.I dont pay money and follow a team for an attendance trophy-I follow the Fire to see winning soccer.
    I dont care what a players background is, as long as they are not overpaid and underperforming for their value.At Palencias salary he should be tearing this league up-which he is not.History has shown that high priced mexican players do not translate into championships-and they barely translate into higher attendance numbers.
     
  23. chiladd

    chiladd Member+

    Mar 21, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    That comes to roster depth of top Latin American teams, unfortunatley the current structure of MLS is designed to keep parity in the league which hurts them on the international stage.
     
  24. Super Sting

    Super Sting Member

    Jan 27, 2006
    Chiladd,
    Actually, I correct myself. I don't really mind the Fire trying to cater to EE by using American youth of various ethnic backgrounds. Players like Razov, Dema, Szetala are worth their money and they don't count against SI alotment so it doesn't really matter. I even liked Sergei Daniv. But I think the Fire should use their SI picks for some south of the border players to help bring in more fans to the Fire and strenghten the team. I think Chivas USA has a good balance at the present time.
     
  25. go go fire

    go go fire New Member

    Apr 9, 2002
    Chicago
    He was at tonight's game (with Frank Klopas). Looked the same and still appeared to be fit. I liked his play too !!!
     

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