Leandro de Oliveira has been waived!

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by Dan B, Jul 2, 2006.

  1. KaptPowers

    KaptPowers Member

    Dec 29, 2003
    Arlington, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True, but would it be too much to ask of them to pick a player would might actually suit up and play some games?
     
  2. Chowda

    Chowda Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    The only draftee that has impressed me is Mehdi Ballouchy. IMO, he's more skillful than 90% of the league. He's also their #10. That pick was roughly a gagillion times better than their previous years'.
     
  3. SirFozzie

    SirFozzie Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 17, 2001
    Franklin, MA
    Wynne looks pretty decent against the revs. He's really fast. We could use some speed on the wings.
     
  4. Chowda

    Chowda Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    He has tremendous natural ability and uses it very well when defending. That's where his current superlatives end.

    * He hasn't shown he can settle the ball once he steals it.

    * His crosses are crap.

    * He isn't good in the air.

    * He's often out of position.


    Granted, SN could probably turn him into something special. However, all that long run late against us showed was he can run in a straight line really fast.
     
  5. Winds350

    Winds350 Member

    Sep 10, 2005
    Or bring in an unproven kid for $75,000 at forward, especially when he's got two US national team forwards at not much more:

    F-M Noonan, Pat $78,717 $89,342
    M Dempsey, Clint $75,863 $86,488
     
  6. Chowda

    Chowda Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Is that salary right? If so, he makes more than twice what Dorman makes.
     
  7. Winds350

    Winds350 Member

    Sep 10, 2005
    Well, according to the list published a few months back:

    F Altidore, Josmer $75,000 $98,333
     
  8. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    dorman needs a pay raise for sure
     
  9. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They did and it turned out, for what ever reason, he didn't.

    The fact that all these arguments about us waiving our number one draft pick from 2006 are---RETROSPECTIVES---makes them look smart but meaningless. It's been reported that SN and PM had their eye on this kids for a number of years and were high on his----POTENTIAL. It didn't work out so they dumped him. BIG DEAL. He's not the first 1st round pick to not make the grade in MLS. Nicol and Mariner have done exceptionally well in the draft and in developing players from deep in the draft---not just 1st rounders. It's a shame that this kid didn't work out.

    As to the draft pick we traded for an Allocation--the jury is still out on the issue
     
  10. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And if we start losing again, will you crawl back under the rock and hide?;) This was the Red Bull, with missing players, that we squeaked a win out over. We had some noce passing but it didn't lead to much. We still have the same problems, it will just take a better team to really expose them.
     
  11. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup. Thats why DCU (and the linesmen) beat us like a drum twice this year ;)
     
  12. IRguy

    IRguy Member

    Sep 28, 2004
    Vermont
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem is that it was an unnecessary gamble and poor use of a first round pick. Everyone knew that Oliveira was damaged goods and that’s why everyone was shocked when he was picked so high. I really think he could have waited for the supplementary round, or at least 2rd or 3rd rounds. The 1st round is a poor choice to take a flyer on a guy that’s damaged goods when there are other less risky players available. I'm going to assume that SN saw something in the guy that made him think he would be a big star and was well worth given up a quaintly young player for a CHANCE he could have been come though.

    I do hope it works out for him someplace else.



    I think Ballouchy has great ball skills, but has not been able to show much more then that yet. IMO, by far and away the best rookie has been Sacha Kljestan for Chivas. Great field vision smart accurate passing definitely our to be a player for the USMNT in the future.
     
  13. Mike Marshall

    Mike Marshall Member+

    Feb 16, 2000
    Woburn, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This isn't exactly a case of hindsight being 20/20. NOBODY thought the kid was first round material when the Revs took him, and they were right.

    Well, it IS actually a big deal.

    I said it the day of the draft, and I'll say it again. Five years from now, we're going to look back at that draft and wonder how in the world we could pass on Altidore twice. I know... they don't want to spend the time or effort to develop a 16-year old kid. Fine. But I don't want to hear any complaints five years from now when Twellman, Noonan, and Dempsey are all playing for different teams.
     
  14. Tony Biscaia

    Tony Biscaia Member

    Feb 17, 1999
    Worth another laugh:

    Revs Reinforce Bench
    (From "Drafting For Dummies" - the first ever MLS self-help knowhow book. Get yours now!)

    Sometimes the most ludicrous, far-fetched fantasies contain nuggets of truth...
     
  15. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not hind sight or "retrospectives" if people were questioning this pick right after it happened, and have been proven right since.

    I didn't like the draft pick when it happened, and I was even more against the stupid trading of pick #13. And so far, the people that felt that way have been proven right.

    That doesn't make it hindsight.
     
  16. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Okay ... laughed again! :D
     
  17. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NOBODY??? Obviously Steve Nicol and Paul Mariner did.

    As to all those who were quick to say they didn't like this pick at the time of the draft I will remind you all that the consensue on the Noonan pick was almost outrage that our coaching staff could be so dumb and people were none to happy when they picked Dempsey either.

    I'll say it again---Drafting is at best a crap shoot. From his track record so far in drafting and developing players I'm willing to give Steve Nicol the benefit of the doubt. He knows more about this process than any of us sitting out here taking potshots at his decisions. He thought this kid was worth being drafted that high--and now he's gone---for reasons WE HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD. The only real statement that can be made is just that---"he didn't work out".
     
  18. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't remember all that much talk about not liking Dempsey or Noonan's pick. Some were against it but it wasn't anything close to how people were against the de Oliveira pick (and giving up the subsequent pick as well).

    Doc, I think that's part of the frustration for many of us is not only the bust of the first pick, but also the giving away of the second pick, which to this point has had no fruition.
     
  19. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can understand your angst at our number one draft pick being a bust. If---as our coaches felt---he had turned out to be a candidate for ROTY---we'd all be happy and singing Nicols praise. Thats what I mean by a crap shoot. MOST of his calls have worked out---for what ever reason---this one didn't.

    As to the wisdom of trading a high draft pick for an Allocation--the jury is still out. The Revs have two roster openings, Cap space and an Allocation. Thats a good position to be in. It will be interesting to see what they have in mind.
     
  20. Tony Biscaia

    Tony Biscaia Member

    Feb 17, 1999
    Not only is the jury still out, it hasn't been drafted yet :) .
     
  21. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't remember any dislike of the Dempsey pick either, but there was definitely frustration after Noonan's selection. I recall much was made of the scout who compared Noonan to Wolde Harris in a way that was "not meant as a compliment." Pat definitely had dirt heaped on him by multiple parties after the draft.

    That said, de Oliveira had that much more of a consensus against him after the draft, and the criticism does seem to have been borne out. However, I still think right now the difference between us picking de Oliveira and us picking Sturgis or someone else is minimal - our fortunes this season wouldn't likely be different with a different pick. But I also agree with Mike that we may well be kicking ourselves in a few years time.
     
  22. Tony Biscaia

    Tony Biscaia Member

    Feb 17, 1999
    In case nobody else has thought of it yet, it's always possible that if his knee heals he could be in camp next preseason, unless the decision to release him was based on ability rather than health. Or that Brasil crashed in the WC :( damn frogs...
    GO PORTUGAL ^!^^!
     
  23. JMMUSA8

    JMMUSA8 New Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Webster
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I remember people bitching about not taking Gaven and taking Dempsey. The Dempsey pick was similar to that of the De Oliveira pick because draft experts thought the Revs could have gotten him later. The only difference was that Dempsey was healthy.
     
  24. skilmon

    skilmon Member

    Feb 18, 1999
    All I know is that if a healthy de Oliveira were 1/2 as good as he is in WWSM 2006, we made a huge mistake.

    Kidding, of course, but as with others here, I'm disappointed that we didn't get a chance to see him.
     
  25. CG

    CG Member

    Jul 25, 2001
    I was coming on here to find out about Leandro and was surprised(somewhat) to see that he had been waived. His last season at UAB was injury riddled. Hope he can eventually make it back because he could be a very good player.
     

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