People, come on. [R]

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by TNTitanic, Jun 18, 2006.

  1. mplsTOON

    mplsTOON Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    @ St James Park
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    No not quite really. Dont sell yourself short, you're a tremendous slouch when it comes to this, really.

    Respect is earned in footie and in its inbred cousin; abuse hurling. Get used to it, it builds character in the long run, ya know like in the riding the short bus to school kinda way:eek:
     
  2. mplsTOON

    mplsTOON Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    @ St James Park
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I'm nearly pointing out that we as americans have a bizarre sense of entitlement to the game we call soccer.

    you're helping me out.
     
  3. Vivo Sohando

    Vivo Sohando New Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    Philadelphia

    Bizarre sense of entitlement? How's that?

    Okay. Okay. We apologize. Bruce will bring our boys home on the next available flight. No American will say anything about soccer until a European has approived it. So sorry.

    What pure arrogance!!!! So typical of Europeans.
     
  4. bright

    bright Member

    Dec 28, 2000
    Central District
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll assume he was on rec.sport.soccer on UseNet, which existed before the web.

    - Paul
     
  5. vanGobbel redded

    vanGobbel redded Red Card

    Jun 17, 2006
    Amsterdam
    FYP
     
  6. mplsTOON

    mplsTOON Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    @ St James Park
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    psst! let me let you in a little secret...no come closer, I dont want to let anyone else know,...the US has only had soccer "fever" for about 36 years now; there was brief spell in the 50's when we were ok, but that doesn't count, and we have only had it at a high pitch for the past four years. Most of the contries who are slagging on us have been doing this for over 100 :eek:

    Wait, I have something else to share with you,...shhh ya listenin'? I don't want to let anyone else know,.....ok? Great.. I'm American, I'm from your hometown. I've had to work hard undercover for a long time convincing European friends that the US is so special in football that we have to call it by a different name.

    And another thing,...no shhh! again dont tell anyone I told you this but this ironic Euro mustache I rock is really pencilled in...

    thanks....
     
  7. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Damn! See, no matter how good we Americans are, Europeans in their snootiness will never give us the respect we deserve!!!!


    Still, I know that short bus pretty durned well, but I'd thought I'd left that all in my past... (wanders off weeping....)

    I'm open to tips from the masters, of course!

    :D
     
  8. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    'sactly!
     
  9. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Give that man a cigar. I was even more annoying in htose days.
     
  10. Vivo Sohando

    Vivo Sohando New Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    Philadelphia

    So we've been classless for 4 years, and the Euros have been classless for over 100? That makes it a whole lot better for the Europeans? Silliness.

    BTW, apparently we have learned well in four years. Look how upset the Euros are getting.

    And you're American? Who cares. So are most members of MoveOn.org ;)
     
  11. ussoccerFan12358

    Mar 11, 2006
    Central NY
    What this post needs to realize is that some Americans are cocky(ex: we're gonna beat Brazil 10-0), while others are confident and reasonable(ex: we can beat any team on any given day), problem is generally we end up all thrown into the first category. This is true with Euros as well.
     
  12. mplsTOON

    mplsTOON Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    @ St James Park
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Its all a bunch of silliness and nonsense...Really. Its not like it that important really; I mean its only a game!! What ever you do: "Don't Mention the War!"
     
  13. Prawn Sandwich

    Oct 1, 2003
    Bhutan
    Strange - I could have sworn it was the US who needed the help to get the draw seeing as they couldn't manage a shot on goal themselves all night.
     
  14. burn357

    burn357 New Member

    Oct 13, 2003
    the mothership
    What a trivial conversation this is, Americans clamoring for footballing justice and Europeans refusing to give them any credit.

    Look, lets just leave it at this: the US played as team ready to do anything to preserve their world cup dreams and the Italians played like a bunch of hungover charlie sheens after a rough night of cocaine binging and slapping around prostitutes.

    Which side has more talent? Italy
    Which side played as a team? USA

    In the end, it levelled out to a draw
     
  15. Waingro

    Waingro Member

    Feb 15, 2003
    San Diego, CA.
    If you peruse the pregame thread you'll see that what you described above is what most of the US fans were predicting: the US showing up to play after the embarrassing loss to CR, and Italians taking the game for granted for the same reason. And if that happened, the US could and should earn a result, which they did.

    The issue at the heart of this current thread stems from the fact that the US fans on the pregame thread who were predicting a close game that the US would have a chance to win, were met with the arrogance and, for lack of a better word, snobbery, that there was no way Italy could lose in spite of the obvious factors in the US' favor... because the talent gap was just too big for the US to overcome.
    US fans, on the other hand, said the talent gap was not big enough for Italy to win without showing up to play with some urgency. They clearly did not show up to play, and they weren't good enough to overcome this reality in spite of having a man advantage for the entire second half.

    In other words, nearly everything said by the US fans in the pregame thread was accurate and came to fruition (discounting the blatant homerism of predictions of US blowouts of Italy) on the field Saturday. Now we all want a little credit, both for our team and for ourselves. If we had just been given some right off the bat, you might not have seen the post game threads play out like they have.

    Just for fun, I'm gonna go over that thread myself and repost on this thread some of the more entertaining entries...
     
  16. Waingro

    Waingro Member

    Feb 15, 2003
    San Diego, CA.
    A couple good ones from the pregame thread. I'll post more later after I get home from work... until then, enjoy!



    Mmmmm, delicious!



    Should have won post of the day!
     
  17. Polar Bear

    Polar Bear Member

    Feb 14, 2006
    Seattle, WA
    Just a game!:eek:

    That's sacrilegious.
     
  18. skip1969

    skip1969 New Member

    Nov 28, 2005
    those are some pretty . . . bold . . . predictions, Waingro. i see your point.

    now, i'm not much of a smack-talker, i'll concede. maybe it's cos tennis was the first sport i really took a shine to (and everyone knows, you don't talk smack in tennis - hehe). no, i'm from that school where you let your playing do the talking. hence, i don't show up to the pre-match threads to hear people make silly predictions.

    i go down to the pub for that. :D
     
  19. Predator67

    Predator67 New Member

    Aug 16, 2005
    As an American i wish American Fans and the media would embrace how Europe and the rest of the world embrace soccer not ESPN the game like Football,Baseball and Basketball.
     
  20. bigdumbgod

    bigdumbgod Member+

    Jun 25, 2005
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...By reminding them, in no uncertain terms, that US fans aren't interested in taking obnoxious sh*t from them any more, and we are quite willing to throw it right back at them when they earn it, as reflects the heart and attitude of the team on the pitch. Not sure why we're supposed to politely golf-clap ourselves to death when an event like this match occurs, so let fans vent back at the haters as they see fit.
     
  21. Riotom9

    Riotom9 Member

    Oct 10, 2000
    Texas
    If it makes you feel any better; we have quite a bit of company in the raging pack of jackasses arena - we're all more alike than we care to admit. It just translates differently. :p
     
  22. pippomo

    pippomo Member

    Jun 15, 2006
    Modena
    There are some good points here. The fact is: european country have some 100+ years of tactical battle. We re-enact this every two years and also in between the major competitions. This probably leads to a prejudice about americans "not knowing" what the game is.
    Take catenaccio for an example. It is actually not what most people think it is ( in the USA and also in England ). Catenaccio is an italian term ( you could losely translate it as "big chain" ), but it is by no mean an italian invention. It was Suisse who invented it in the late 30's. The man of the name to blame is Rappan and the forst version of catenaccio was called Verrou. It consisted of an extra difender added to the WM ( or "sistema" in Italy ) Swiss played with 4 defenders. Italy didn't pass to catenaccio until late 50's and again only in the clubs, with Nereo Rocco. In te 66 Wc we used catenaccio fot the first time: the extra defender went by the name of "libero". The other nations had already begun to use this system. And in fact Germany already used it. This first catenaccio and many others to come were not really what many people thin it was. At the Wc 1970 Italy fielded ( I use Italy vs Germany as an example ): ITALIA: Albertosi, Cera, Burgnich, Bertini, Rosato (94 Poletti),
    Facchetti (c), Domenghini, Mazzola (46 Rivera), De Sisti, Boninsegna, Riva.
    There were the classic 2 forwards ( two great ones: Riva and Boninsegna ), am offensive winger ( Domenghini ), an offensive midfielder ( Mazzola. He played forward in Inter today we would call him a "mezzapunta" ), a "creative midfielder" ( "regista": De Sisti ), just one difensive midfielder ( Bertini ), one of the most offensive wing back ever to grace planet earth ( Facchetti, more than 50 goals in serie A ), two pure defenders ( "marcatori": Rosato and Burgnich ) and a Libero ( Cera ). Catenaccio in its pure form was a defensive system ( the two defenders were man on man against opposite forwards ) played with offensive players... And so it was until its end ( at least for what concerns the Italian national team ). In that match germany too used libero ( need I name him? ), and two pure defenders. And germany too used this system until the beginning of the 90's... well in fact Germany used a libero until 1994 when Matthaus was lifted from the midfield and put behind Kohler and Berthold. In the same year Italy had moved to play a zone 4-4-2.
    The real step back happened in 1998 when under CT Maldini we reverted to Libero when no club in Italy was using it. And it was ugly as we often used a ibero plus 3 defenders and man to man defending also in the midfield... something that also the inventors of Catenaccio in the 60's woul have despised...
    So, why am I writing this?
    1) Basically to say that much of the snobism you think you are reading comes from years and years of debating football matters... I think I can speak with a german about that match, discuss if the teams of that year were better or worst than the actual ones... We actually do this also between Italians. I don't think i can do it with USA fans. But maibe in some years we'll have a classic Itala vs-Usa game to talk about ( I remind well 1990 but it is in no way a classic.. ) . MAibe in some years the USA will have a classical system by which they will be identified ( The Dutch became a well respected team because they invented "total play" and always kept to that idea also if rearranging in more modern form ), at that time any stereotype about USa football and USA fans will be just a memory.
    2)secondly to state that in no way Germany can berate Italy's catenaccio, as they used it, won with it, lost with it!! ;) ;)
     

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