Official USA vs Czech Republic POST Match Thread - Part II - [R]

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  1. FiveXChampion

    FiveXChampion Member

    Sep 23, 2000
    California
    Club:
    Fluminense Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Very good post. Here's some good rep for that!
     
  2. FiveXChampion

    FiveXChampion Member

    Sep 23, 2000
    California
    Club:
    Fluminense Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was not just that. He looked aphatic and that's not good for the team when they need some encouragement. That's part of his job and what he did in 98 doesn't count anymore. It's time for the US to get a better coach and I really don't think he should be American.
     
  3. stangspritzring

    stangspritzring Member+

    Apr 3, 2006
    NorMD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, in reference to '98, I was referring to Steve Sampson, whose US team beat Brazil in the Gold Cup preceeding that WC. I'd say give Bruce to the end of the tournament before condemning him. He took a risk in the Czech game, and it didn't pay off. If the US performance against Italy isn't any better, then you may have a point. However, if they manage a win, it's a whole new ballgame. The first 20 minutes should show us. I think the players on the US squad have it in them to win it Saturday, and I think Bruce will be the one who puts "it" there. If they don't, then I have no doubt they'll be shopping about for a new coach, but I don't know of any international that would want to stick with the team long enough to nurture it the way it needs. And the first thing we need to do is properly develop a strong central midfielder and pure-blooded strikers.
     
  4. truthandlife

    truthandlife Member

    Jul 28, 2003
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I will tell you that there is a lot on the line for the US players against Italy ($$$$$). If pride doesn't motivate them then money should. Endorsements will disappear for a lot of these players if they show how they did against the Czechs. Who would want any of these players (Donovan, Beas, Reyna) if they go 0-3?
     
  5. stangspritzring

    stangspritzring Member+

    Apr 3, 2006
    NorMD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You ain't lyin', but I really hope it's not endorsement dollars that are the prime motivator at this point. I'd hope they go out there and play all out just for the respect.
     
  6. OmiKell

    OmiKell New Member

    May 2, 2004
    Tarrytown/Luxemburg
    I don't see Bruce removing Landy "Tourist" Donovan from the field. The guy already showed his lack of aggressivenes when he left Germany two years ago.
    he should leave again today.

    I'm sad we can't find in America any strengthful forward, those Reyna/McBride/Beasley/Donovan looked tiny in the middle of the Czech defense. They will be even smaller than Italians...

    I hope they will show more aggression on Saturday. If they play again the MLS turf game on Saturday, they will leave the field bleeding.
     
  7. illinizissou

    illinizissou New Member

    Jun 11, 2006
    Re: US player evals for Czech game

    I did say, "It's not all your fault, but you need to take some major blame". That said, what about all the times McBride came back to get the ball and gave it away? Or the times he failed to mark his man on set plays? If the only thing he can do is head in crosses then he shouldn't be starting.

    Ok Keller wasn't all that bad. However seeing the Czech goalkeeper and how much better he was, makes me mad that Keller is so highly overrated in my opinion. I'm sure others will disagree.
     
  8. Fiorentina lives!

    May 5, 2004
    Hmmm... I wonder, if Arena does not make it past WC06... PETER NOWAK, perhaps??? A foreigner coaching in the US and knowing the American game... hmmmm...
     
  9. rizzuto123

    rizzuto123 Member

    May 3, 2006
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Re: US player evals for Czech game

    keller cost you guys the first goal, he over kicked it right to the czech defenders, the czech made 1-2-3 passses and it koller headed it in.
     
  10. stangspritzring

    stangspritzring Member+

    Apr 3, 2006
    NorMD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, Peter Nowak...Bruce's weaknesses seem to be his strengths...Though he admittedly doesn't have the same tactical eye as Bruce, I think between the two of them, something great could happen. What we NEED is that defender in the UK...damn it, I can't remember his name at the moment, but I think he would be a sound addition to the back line in place of a Lewis...
     
  11. canthisbe23

    canthisbe23 New Member

    May 22, 2006
    Do we even have an attacking third? I watched Italy and Ghana and both created more chances in 30 minutes than we did in 90. In all honesty, we have to pray the US team can elevate their game by 100 percent and Italy drop theirs by 25 percent to even have a chance at a draw.

    The Ghana team was very fast and overly aggressive as well. They went in to that game saying “we will punish you physically for every 50-50 ball you attempt to win…and you are not going by us anywhere on the field.” If they play the US like that they will smack the US players around like toy dolls.

    We could potentially have zero points in the bracket. This lack of showing really upsets me as a huge supporter of US soccer. I expected us to lose a close game and don’t have a problem with the result. I DO have a problem with the lack of intensity, drive and passion. Each of these qualities was demonstrated beautifully in the Australia win over Japan just one hour before the US took the field. Where was our sense of urgency? Where was our attacking creativity? Can we control the ball in the midfield and go at players with our speed to open up angles in the attack?

    We had a speed advantage with small players on top. Why the hell didn’t we keep the ball on the ground, create separation and leverage our strengths? Will Landon and Beasley please take someone on? Landon did that perfectly early in the game and they never exposed that area again. Czech did that perfectly against us. They got “gooch” on the early yellow and he had to allow the late run or take a red. We could have done the exact same thing. Oh…that’s right we would need the ball and the brains first.

    Frustrated…and sad for US soccer.
     
  12. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Well, off topic but we weren't too bad in the first half. Should have had more than the one goal although I think we all accept we weren't too good towards the end if the match. Having said that I think most people over here accept it was a poor performance and we should have done better.

    The thing that annoys me a bit is that, as usual, these things never give any credit to the opposition. When we were paired with Paraguay I had a look at some of their friendly matches and they looked a reasonable side. I never thought it was going to be a walk over myself. Sven's substitutions and some rather unusual ref decisions didn't aid the effort too much either.
     
  13. Borussia

    Borussia Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    Fürth near Nuremberg
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Deserved victory for the Czechs as they had a very strong defence and 2 great playmakers (Rosicky, Nedeved). The US boys played really well in 1st half, but after interval they disappointed totally...
     
  14. Ed-D

    Ed-D Member

    Spurs
    United States
    Jun 13, 2005
    NY
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    when was the last time you saw the U.S. concede three goals to Mexico?
     
  15. rxsoccer

    rxsoccer Member

    Jun 6, 2006
    Baltimore, MD
    I haven't really posted on this board before, but for those interestd in hearing an outsiders opinion...(US fan by the way)....
    Here's what I take from this game....the "first stringers" for the US are simply not playing up to par. The last time we saw the US play this poorly with a completely ineffective offense for 90 minutes was against Morocco. We all got duped by thinking this was a function of training and all part of the WC prep...which it very well should have been a legitimate excuse. And then when we fielded a bunch of the second string guys, suddenly we dominated....of course it was easy to toss that up to weaker opponent, although I'm not sure how much weaker latvia (I believe it was that game) was than morocco. So now I'm left thinking the US truly would have been better off benching some of these regulars because they have not produced anything together on the field.
    I think we'd be better off with dempsey than beasley (although something tells me wolff might get that start). And at this point, I wouldn't mind seeing donovan sit on the bench to quiet his whiny self (ok, here's where my anger starts kicking in). That guy is such a fraud. I was watching the US-germany qtrfinal game last week and he donovan hasn't played with that kind of spark since then. And all I ever hear the guy do is feel sorry for himself. Is it just me or is he always making comments like, "nobody has had a harder training camp than us"? A couple years ago he said his schedule was harder than european players because of all the MLS games and PR stuff he had to do...oh yeah, guys like beckham, ronaldhino, zidane etc don't get pulled in a million directions...what a joke. That guy simply does not have the desire to be among the best. Ok, rant over.
     
  16. Fan123

    Fan123 Member

    Jun 3, 2006
    Mexico sucks, and so does Iran, but so is the US. Happy?? Iran will not make it out, and neither will the US. Mexico will make it out, but will find the Group of Death's winners from the other group. Group D has no chance either. So there's no need to be happy about beating Mexico so many times. Mexico are also minnows in the international stage. Iran, I actually saw the game and thought they play equally to the Mexicans, who suddenly had the spark near the end to finish off Iran. BTW - Iran got a goal.
     
  17. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

    Jul 14, 1999
    Cedar Hill, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So you refuse to answer the question...?
     
  18. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Let me know how many "minnows" have made the second round in four of the last five world cups.
     
  19. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Re: US player evals for Czech game

    If he should be dropped because he's not as good as Petr Cech, then maybe only Italy will be able to field a goalkeeper.
     
  20. grskywalker

    grskywalker New Member

    Oct 14, 2005
    Maryland
    Sorry but I am not a fan of US Soccer never have been ever since you knocked us out of the World Cup 1990 in the qualifiers in Trinidad. I am however a keen and avid football fan and the problem with the US game was that it was lost before you got on the field and Arena has to be blamed for that. Preparation for the World Cup was poor and getting wins against medicore teams teaches you nothing about the opponents you are likely to face
    Every team in Germany practised under World Cup conditions against top class opponents in or around Germany to get used to the conditions except the US.

    Our coach Beenhaker made sure our guys got used to the pace well in advance against the likes of WALES, SLOVENIA, CZECH REP. We lost all the practice games and everyone wrote us off even the US media, before the first game was even played. We learnt valuable lessons and came out against Sweden with guns blazing and held them at bay and matched them step for step
    .
    Arena chose to have this camp in NC and waste energy on the likes of Morocco. Exactly which team in your group plays like Morocco, NONE and you all still lost that game!!
    Your team was outplayed and outclassed and worse yet you have ITALY and GHANA ha, what exactly is the plan now, 0 points and a -3 GOAL RATIO.

    The Azzuri have one of the most rigid defenses in the world Beadsly Donovon again will be outplayed here. The Italian's have so much more experience on this level you all are in for the ride of your lives and then there is Ghana (WHEW:( ) Uncle Sam is going to get the spanking of his life!!
     
  21. rxsoccer

    rxsoccer Member

    Jun 6, 2006
    Baltimore, MD
    Even though the pre-cup scheduling makes for an easy scapegoat on how the US was prepared/played, I'm not sure that is truly to blame for their poor showing. BUT, I really can't argue with you that regardless of why, their preparation was poor and they were not ready to play....and the bulk of that responsibility does lie on Arena. I agree that they lost before they got on the field, and I don't buy the argument that the first goal lost it for them. No self-respecting team can say a goal in the first 5 minutes is too much to overcome. Ridiculous argument IMO. If you don't have the composure to play out of that situation, you don't belong on the field. Its easier for me to believe the US wasn't ready to begin with, than to think they were fine up until that point where they lost it.
     
  22. Blustar

    Blustar Member

    May 30, 2006
    Club:
    Miami FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    thanks for saving me the trouble of responding to this idiot...But I will add that I will continue to enjoy and look up to Argentinian football players inspite of jackasses like you who give your country a bad name. Typical South American bigot who doesn't realize that many SA's live in the US and have their roots in SA countires. Who do you think Americans are, you fool?


    Why is America improving in soccer such a sore spot with you? You really need to get a grip and educate yourself. Take a trip to the states and see for yourself how terrible we are in person. You'll find that we are the same as anyone in your country. (some good some bad) I think maybe your age is showing and you need to grow up a litte bit amd stop painting all Americans with the same brush.

    Blue
     
  23. Blustar

    Blustar Member

    May 30, 2006
    Club:
    Miami FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    All this after the first game? Relax people and let the tournament play itself out. We can judge afterward but lets not call it a wash until it actually is. Now is the time to fight back not point fingers and give up.
     
  24. TxFan

    TxFan Member

    Sep 6, 2001
    Nowak's work with Adu suggests that he might not be the right guy to take our young players to the next level.

    Regardless, its a little premature to be talking about Arena's replacement.
     
  25. Urban04

    Urban04 New Member

    Jun 20, 2004
    ZLIN - Czech
    Hi Czechia here, and here is "soccer forum" not "politics forum" You stup*d boy.

    Běž si ty svoje žvásty kecat někam jinam ty zamindrákovaný "kretene" a nedělej tady ostudu!!!!. ( Sorry it was in Czech - He wold understad better)

    Regards to US soccer fans.


     

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