New flyin ball...but who can shoot it?

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Curvaceous Corners, Jun 9, 2006.

  1. Curvaceous Corners

    Curvaceous Corners New Member

    Feb 25, 2006
    Buffalo
    After day one I couldn't help but wonder who on our team is going to hit these long range shots. I know it's been mentioned on here before, but our team doesn't have anyone who stands out as an all out shooter. Obviously this is only one possible way to score, but it seems to be very effective so far. I hope someone can step up and hit some rockets.
     
  2. Highbury

    Highbury Member

    May 13, 2006
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know if they'd be the hardest shots, but JOB and Convey can both make the keeper work from far out. I hope LD steps up big time.
     
  3. puddleduck

    puddleduck Member

    Mar 15, 2002
    Providence, RI
    Exactly what I thought the second I heard people talking about how much swerve there is on this ball ...

    You have to think that on balance this ball helps the Czechs and Italians against us ...

    Lewis must be smacking his lips though ...
     
  4. Curvaceous Corners

    Curvaceous Corners New Member

    Feb 25, 2006
    Buffalo
    My worry is that it does give italy and the czechs a little more advantage over us.
     
  5. Jacques Strappe

    Mar 24, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't it the same ball being used in MLS?
     
  6. Curvaceous Corners

    Curvaceous Corners New Member

    Feb 25, 2006
    Buffalo
    It is the same ball as the mls ball. It doesn't change the fact that we don't have any cannons on the team
     
  7. Devil500

    Devil500 New Member

    Mar 7, 2006
    Section 101
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, and its very awful making horrid bounces just not the same game as we know it. I could see maybe Convey taking the long efforts.
     
  8. jacksup

    jacksup New Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    I thought Marcelo went a little crazy turning that last German goal into a tirade about the ball, instead of praising the brilliant strike made on the ball.

    It's a soccer ball. To me it didn't look all that different from any other soccer ball. I'm certain I wouldn't have noticed anything at all strange if Celo hadn't brought it up, and Tommy Smyth "wit a Y" hadn't continued on the theme for the first 15 minutes of the next match.

    "I can't believe we're still talking about the ball." -Tommy Smyth

    Me neither, Tommy Smyth, me neither.
     
  9. jacksup

    jacksup New Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Aren't a lot of the horrid bounces in MLS more because of the turf fields? Or maybe I have a skewed perspective because I mostly watch the (sigh) Red Bulls.
     
  10. USvsIRELAND

    USvsIRELAND Member+

    Jul 19, 2004
    ATL
    Ben "BENINHO" Olsen


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  11. Say What?

    Say What? New Member

    May 2, 2006
    When does someone bring him up?

    You know, that guy of ours who was good at this a long, long time ago, in a Dorito Bag not fay away?

    Yup, I heard he was the best. Run, shoot, pass, leap over tall buidings.
    He could do it all. He was the best.

    Nah, no one will bring him up. That's not him I'm throwing out there.:D
     
  12. xstill.illx

    xstill.illx New Member

    Jun 4, 2006
    for the first few minutes i thought that by "that's why a goalkeeper hates this ball" he meant "that's why a goalkeeper hates a pass across the middle that finds a guy with enough open space to get a running start and blast the thing into the side netting."

    as in: "good ball."

    because, of course, it would be absurd to spend so much time talking about the actual, physical ball.
     
  13. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    I hear you.

    As far as Frings's goal, it was already rolling when and he managed to really get ahold of it with the outside of his right foot. Of course it's going to swerve. That would have happened with any World Cup ball from the last 20 years.

    And the main gripe I've been hearing from the keepers so far is that it gets too slippery in wet conditions.
     
  14. hubbabubba

    hubbabubba Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 17, 2002
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Haha, I was wondering how a "swervy" and unpredictable ball was gonna help Koller run onto the end of it and head it into our goal on a set play... Or why this "cwasy cwasy ball" was gonna make big teams that want to score against us from free kicks by putting bodies on our smaller field players was going to favor them when smaller players can wind up and deliver hard shots from the edge of the box just as well as the big 'uns can...

    but then all this was, in fact, useless because Xstill.illX hit it on the head... The chances of us losing a game because of a "swervy" ball are low to nil...
     
  15. SoccerPro843

    SoccerPro843 Member

    Dec 3, 2004
    Austin, Tx
    I'm pretty sure that the difference between this ball and others is that on this one there i no seams. It's basically just on big smooth ball of leather. It's harder for keepers to catch it, becasue of the lack of seams.
     
  16. Texas4x4

    Texas4x4 New Member

    Jul 18, 2004
    They tested the WC ball in a wind tunnle on SKY news, and it bounced around a lot more than the Mitre ball, and a little more than the nike arrow.
     
  17. Deuteriumoxide

    May 27, 2003
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They have been playing with this ball in camp and during the sendoff series. (excluding the final nikefest)

    I'm sure everyone on the team is aware of it's tendencies.
     
  18. blacksun

    blacksun Member+

    Mar 30, 2006
    Seoul, Korea
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No one said that we were going to lose because of the ball. But if it does swerve more than a normal ball, it will help teams that shoot the ball a lot (and well) from long range. Everyone shoots the ball from distance more than the US, so it will help them relative to us.
     
  19. hubbabubba

    hubbabubba Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 17, 2002
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Amazing... Yes it must be a conspiracy against the USA...

    They have engineered an anti-USA ball...

    Why don't you keep hoping that this is the case...

    OMG folks we don't just have to worry about the fact that everyone also wants to win this WC, now we also have to worry that if we don't win it's because the ball was "engineered" to discriminate against us...

    One question... if this ball "swerves" so much, wouldn't it make it harder to aim it? If that was the case, wouldn't you think that this causes just as much trouble to those "good" long-range shooters as us dumb Americans?

    Sorry to cause so much trouble... If FIFA wanted to make a "troublesome" ball, they did so with the intent of every team scoring more, not just non-American teams...

    Maybe you can wish for some other reason that the USA will do poorly... me, personally, I think we can come up with just as many reasons to fail as you can... and we'll probably do it too...

    But the "humanistic" question is whether you will celebrate our failure...

    will you? What does that say about you...?
     
  20. SoccerPro843

    SoccerPro843 Member

    Dec 3, 2004
    Austin, Tx
    If you noticed, it's nothing too unusual, but the keepers didn't really catch the ball much.
     
  21. blacksun

    blacksun Member+

    Mar 30, 2006
    Seoul, Korea
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What the hell? I point out that a ball that makes long distance shooting easier (as many experts have said this one does) favors teams that shoot the ball from long distance, and suddenly I'm "celebrating our failure"? Get a grip. I don't think it will have much impact, but its more likely that any impact it has will be negative for the US. No one said that FIFA was trying to screw us. They changed the ball and it happened to favor teams that like to shoot long distance. Stop making up arguments and saying that people who disagree with you are conspiracy theorists and anti-USA.
     
  22. hubbabubba

    hubbabubba Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 17, 2002
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you are saying that other teams shoot more from longer range than the USA.

    PLEASE PROVE THIS TO ALL OF US...

    You are somehow linking the design of the WC ball to something that is a detriment to USA...

    Unfortunately for you.. I never put the following in quotations...

    "celebrating our failure"

    I'd like to know where the hell you think I EVER SAID THIS!!!!
    You pockmarked son-of -abiadch I never, EVER said this...

    My guess is that you are putting those words in "quotations" so that you think that others will believe that "I said them"

    I never said them, and you therefore have no right to claim that I did, or MORE IMPORTANTLY that I EVER meant to say them...

    What is wrong with you???
     
  23. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    I watched Der Bomber's highlights (all 14 of them) on FIFA's site and in the 1970s Cup, several GKs didn't even wear gloves.

    Nowadays, they're so padded, no wonder they can't grip a ball.

    BTW, tomorrow watch Riquelme. If Argentina gets a free kick within 25 yards - and they will - this guy hits the meanest hardest knockleball I've seen. Instead of talking about the ball, 'Celo should be talking about being able to hit certain shots.

    WRT long distance shooting, the EPL has long been the champ with the Bundesliga not far behind. Italy and Spain are less so.
     
  24. hubbabubba

    hubbabubba Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 17, 2002
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Listen, I have never said, nor will ever say that there is some "conspiracy" against the USA in the WC.... Perhaps your idiotic posts are a misreading of my own.... If they are... I'm sorry, READ THEM AGAIN... if not...

    man, I have a really hard time believing that you can't understand english...
     
  25. quentinc

    quentinc New Member

    Jan 3, 2005
    Annapolis, MD
    I watched St. Etienne-Lyon when they first used the ball in France, and the score was 0-0, and the keepers were catching it perfectly well in zero degree weather. Marcelo Balboa needs to shut up. The second Costa Rican goal was barely offsides - nowhere near the extreme he made it out to be.
     

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