Red Bulls Targeting Several Players Including World Cup Defender

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by JayDelight729, Jun 1, 2006.

  1. YNWAYNWA

    YNWAYNWA New Member

    Feb 26, 2005
    New York
    clearly it's Fabio;)

    note Mo's comment, "He's been the top defender in his country for years."

    sounds like a player that actually plays in his home country

    and FC was in NY recently:
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    http://www.brooklynitalians.org/

     
  2. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
  3. Mason16

    Mason16 Member

    Apr 11, 2001
    South Florida
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    worth repeating, with one minor change that is more impactful.
     
  4. Jabinho

    Jabinho New Member

    May 29, 2004
  5. YNWAYNWA

    YNWAYNWA New Member

    Feb 26, 2005
    New York
    it's getting dicey over in Turin

    http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?...=128&lid=&title=Real+vultures+hover+over+Juve
     
  6. GCSOCCER19

    GCSOCCER19 New Member

    Feb 10, 2003
    North Carolina
    What about the championship midfielder he is scouting from England?

    Could it be Stefan Miglloranzi (spelling ) 4-4-2 rated him as the best player on his team this past year, although I am unsure of if they are in the championship. I thought Division I??

    Any ideas on that player?
     
  7. irishapple21

    irishapple21 Member

    Apr 4, 2005
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Turks and Caicos Islands
    I would guess that it's Bak. He would be a welcome addition considering the feeble state of our backline right now.
     
  8. dustcowpoke

    dustcowpoke Member

    Jan 7, 2006
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wanna know who the Premiership forward is.... Could it be Heskey? No even Red Bull wouldn't be that stupid. Could it be Andy Johnson. We can only hope.
     
  9. livestock

    livestock New Member

    Dec 27, 2004
    be here now

    Miglioranzi played with Porstmouth when they were in the FA 1st Division (now the Championship League) for awhile. Has a Brazilian passport. Stefani is a good player, but not good enough IMO to make that much of an impact in the MLS. He was good enough to help make St. John's NCAA national champs, though, after transferring from Iona (MAAC Rookie of the Year).
     
  10. YNWAYNWA

    YNWAYNWA New Member

    Feb 26, 2005
    New York
    Johnson moved to Everton this week

    however, Jeffers is out of contract
     
  11. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't suppose it would be possible for this team to try and become good by drafting and developing talent, making good deals with other teams, and by going out and scouting in other countries and picking up solid but non-"break the bank" players, the way the rest of the league tries to get it done?
     
  12. crusio

    crusio New Member

    May 10, 2004
    Princeton
    Why go through the effort?

    There are no rules that are going to stop them, they have the cash, they want to spend it; why wouldn't they?
     
  13. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Such naïveté...
     
  14. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because it's kind of stupid and a waste of money, that's why. And the more money they burn through in largely futile gestures brings them that much closer to throwing up their hands and cashing out. (See also: Association, Women's United Soccer)

    The teams that are beating them aren't exactly running World All-Star XI players out there.
     
  15. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Yeah that would be the wise and prudent way to do it...but when you are the US version of Chelsea (without the trophies) you just buy shite.
     
  16. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why wouldn't they? No reason at all; from their perspective, they might as well.

    I'm just dejected by this whole topic for the same reason that's been knocked around in about a billion threads at this point, which can be summed up this way: no way will Columbus or Salt Lake have enough revenues in the forseeable future to afford to take similar steps; no way in the forseeable future will the presence of such international talent bring Columbus or Salt Lake enough revenues to make that talent affordable.

    If you like, you can replace Columbus or Salt Lake with most of the teams in the league, really. And so for all but a handful of the teams in the league, we evolve to a choice of 1) lose money by shelling out for big name players to remain competitive, beyond what the local market will support even at the best realistic support level; or 2) lose money by not being competitive, and thus losing what support you currently have.

    I can't prove anything at all about how things will go, of course; nobody can. So it just comes down to belief, and it's my belief that this will push the league towards its demise.

    But we've all, every one of us, discussed this in a zillion threads, and some people see it that way and some people don't, and there's not much more left to be said about it all.
     
  17. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof

    Er Birmingham aren't in the Premiership anymore.

    Andy Johnson? The Andy Johnson who Everton just bought for $15 million this week?
     
  18. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, playing devil's advocate, I suspect their perspective is not "we're trying to beat the teams that are beating us", but rather "we're trying to get people to come to the stadium and watch games," and so they're looking at it from a marketing perspective.

    Of course, that argument works when we're talking about Ronaldo. I'm not sure it works when we're talking about players like Jacek Bak. So maybe I'm full of it.
     
  19. YNWAYNWA

    YNWAYNWA New Member

    Feb 26, 2005
    New York
    haven't some of you put the cart waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before the horse here

    acquisitions like Peter Canero and Jean Philippe Peguero does not exactly make RBNY the MLS version of Roman's Rent Boys
     
  20. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, Peguero doesn't seem an appropriate example, since he came to RBNY through a trade.

    But I think when people make a comparison to Chelsea, there's a bit of sarcasm involved, of course. Beyond that, people are talking about intentions and what people worry may play out in the future. Is that premature? I don't think it's premature to talk about what you think might happen, especially when RB appear to have indicated that they're willing to spend huge sums (cf. the Ronaldo story). It may be 100% wrong, but it's not premature.
     
  21. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In other words, a throwback to the Charlie Stillitano era, which brought us World Cup champion coach Carlos Alberto Parreira and World Cup champion defender Branco. And Lothar Matthaeus. And Roberto Donadoni, though he did hold up his end of the bargain a bit better than the others.

    It seems to me that for all the talk about how New York has so many savvy soccer fans, the Metros/Red Bulls front offices seem to think of them as absolute boobs. I mean, they can't possibly respect and appreciate those fans' knowledge and love of the game with what they're putting out there and what they're rumored to want to put out there:

    "Yes, we have the utmost respect for your soccer fandom. Please pay ridiculous ticket prices to watch Ronaldo, Youri Djorkaeff, and 9 mediocre players run around on a plastic field and get beaten by players you probably never heard too much about, but who nonetheless play good soccer."

    Hey, here are some ideas for the Toros Rojos: Instead of paying Ronaldo stupid money to come play for you and not prevent you from continuing to be a punch line, how about spend a fraction of that money on a grass field (at least until the Giants and Jets start playing preseason games)? How about better ticket prices? How about a coaching staff who'll sign players based on their competency rather than on their marketability (and Mo Johnston might be that coach -- it's just so hard to tell if he is or not) and put those players out there in winning combinations?

    In short, start acting more like a professional soccer team and less like a dog-and-pony show.
    Well, that would at least indicate that somebody with a brain is driving personnel decisions.
     
  22. megapolemico

    megapolemico New Member

    Sep 4, 2001
    at home finally!
    Well, i'm pretty sure Alaves will never be able to afford the players Barcelona has nor Blackburn Rovers will be able to afford Chelsea's.

    There's rich and there's poor. That's life.
     
  23. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How did that work out for the NASL?
     
  24. megapolemico

    megapolemico New Member

    Sep 4, 2001
    at home finally!
    NASL? Please, This is 2006.
     
  25. crusio

    crusio New Member

    May 10, 2004
    Princeton
    I wouldn't spend MY money on big time players for this league........ yet anyway.

    MLS sets the rules and enforces them, outside of that, owners will do what they want. Some teams will try and do it without spending (Revs), others will look to the pocketbook (RB, Chivas). Whom not coincidentally, come from leagues where you have to spend to win. Red Bull supposidlywant to bring a small taste of that big Cosmos feel back to NY. Again, not the route I would take, but I can see their thinking.

    Personally though, I support a more equitable system. A hard cap, where every dollar counts towards it. That's the fairest and most fiscally prudent way to go.
     

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