PHP too big for FCD

Discussion in 'FC Dallas' started by Goldenstick, May 13, 2006.

  1. Kevin Lindstrom

    Oct 28, 2003
    Dallas, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Uh, yeah you were. And this time, since I was the point person during that particular vote the last time, I can tell you that you guys could have chosen either location and we would have made it work. Now the original conversation around MLS Cup or whatever, I don't know. But I do know this - it was simple math:

    Green - electricity, restrooms, covered pavillion, no worries about having to tailgate in the street

    Blue - close proximity to the stadium

    Now if I had been in The Inferno at that time and not working for FCD, I would have voted (myself, not as a Big Picture, "this is what I think The Inferno should do" kind of thing) for the Blue lot. But for a lot of people, the restrooms are important and a lot of the other amenaties(sp?!?) are nice, as well.

    Frankly, the whole point of not getting the green parking passes was to allow the group to chose to go back to the Blue Lot. Why do this if it really isn't an option?

    Let's see how things go this weekend. After doing the green lot for so long, let's see what people think of the blue lot. Share your opinions with Erik and Travis. We'll talk on Monday or so.

    But just because the FO has an opinion doesn't mean you can't make your own decision.
     
  2. texgator

    texgator New Member

    Oct 28, 2003
    Plano
    I believe it did play a small part, if any. Most made the decision based on the availability of bathrooms, electricity and covering. You realize we are discussing the tailgate location and not the Inferno section within the stadium, right? Your comment seems more consistent with what happened in the latter discussion.
     
  3. Kevin Lindstrom

    Oct 28, 2003
    Dallas, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was going to say parking, but...

    Well, the day of game price I might agree with, but the season ticket buyer would, imo. Especially those who are paying $640 a seat for four seats.

    FWIW, those are all on the radar screen. It is a matter of working out the contracts and coming to agreements - which, I'm learning, is more complicated than it seemed from the other side.

    As for customer service, I know that point has been made and it is a matter of developing consistent volunteers - that is going to take time, but it is being worked on.

    You're welcome.

    And with that note, I'm off to hammer the phones to fill the stands. Cheers
     
  4. Chamo

    Chamo New Member

    Aug 9, 1999
    Plano,TX
    Kevin, nobody is underestimating what Lamar Hunt has done for soccer in the US and for FC Dallas. Even Wagner gets a do over because of his work in getting PHP constructed. But now we are where we are. Fans-Team-Owner have a good thing going, but it can be so much more. How we got here isn't as important as to where are we going.
     
  5. texgator

    texgator New Member

    Oct 28, 2003
    Plano
    The only thing that can possibly be said about the switch of TG locations is that we had a discount last year in the Blue Lot and that wasn't offered this year, making the financial decision to move to Green that much easier. Now, I've been told that the decision to not offer a discount was not completely made by the FO....but I don't know how it really went down.
     
  6. Chamo

    Chamo New Member

    Aug 9, 1999
    Plano,TX
    I don't think that Inferno (and other SG) negotiations with the FCD FO are relevant to the big picture of attracting fans to the games.
     
  7. Balonpie

    Balonpie Member

    Apr 27, 2004
    Scenic Carrollton
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We were given a choice of TG location last year. No one argues that; however, when the choices were offered we (The INFERNO) did not realize at the time that if we accepted to move to the Pavillion, for some matches and not all home matches. I do not mind the Pavillion, I think it was a great choice, what I mind is being evicted from the location that we were offered.
     
  8. Chamo

    Chamo New Member

    Aug 9, 1999
    Plano,TX
    We would like for Casey to play with us every week, but his team's games seem to conflict with FCD's games more often than not.
     
  9. runningman

    runningman Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    East Dallas
    Nah, I'm pretty happy with my post.
     
  10. 3rd Degree

    3rd Degree Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    your car is at the tailgate so you don't have to carry the cooler.




    and you get to stick it to the man.
     
  11. texgator

    texgator New Member

    Oct 28, 2003
    Plano
    But I can't actually, you know, use it because I have to dissappear for a few hours. Kind of defeats the purpose. Now, I can drop off my stuff at the tailgate area, drive over to Frisco Square, walk back to the pavilion and enjoy my beer, my grilled meats and the company of my fellow tailgaters and not pay.

    All this is irrelevant, of course, because I do pay.....even though I bitch about it everytime I hand the smiling, but generally incompetent, parking attendant my $10 bill.

    Somehow it feels like it's going the other way.
     
  12. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, I like the Green Lot.

    I just wish that we weren't being displaced this week.
     
  13. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's way more initiative than we ever saw with the Fair Park staff.
     
  14. texgator

    texgator New Member

    Oct 28, 2003
    Plano
    I think it helps that the green lot next to our tailgate location isn't very big. There was, what, 3 attendants for the entire CB parking lot.
     
  15. Brushes Sand

    Brushes Sand Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    polychronicqatsitime
    that's a post-hoc, ergo-propter-hoc if i've ever seen it....
    ... you know how the deal went down.

    c'mon dude!!! as we talked about at lunch, if you're gonna stay in
    the ring, you have all the risk in this endeavor.

    yes, PHP saved the team. lamar's $30M to cover HKS incompetence
    is what saved PHP.

    but without Wagner you have no PHP ???

    PHP happened because:

    - Jerry Hoagland had the idea
    - County Commissioners backed the idea
    - David Craig was out of his league which allowed
    - City of McKinney to steal the idea in order to kill it
    - which brought it to the attention of the Frisco people where
    - the city and ISD of Frisco were sitting on a huge pile of money and
    - where the city and ISD of Frisco were already building ice/baseball facilities
    - and where the ISD already had $15M bonded up for a new stadium
    - which combined with the TIRZ capability allowed the county to get back in
    - which then made it easy for Lamar to only pony $25M for a $60M stadium
    - although for same money you get a roof in England
    - but HKS still managed to botch a number of things (different thread)
    - which required Lamar to kill an additional $30M of Dan's inheritance
    - which is how we got to where we are

    Wagner was highly visible, and always "at the center of things", but
    I know from first-person experience that every single one of the
    above things would have happened exactly the same without Wagner.
    In fact, Wagner's ability to be bamboozled by HKS, although it will never
    be publically written about, might be the primary cause of the significant
    erosion of Dan's inheritance.

    Anyone who doubts my cred on the above, ask Swift or Jalper.

    Kev, son, love ya, but as I told you at the fixture this afternoon,
    you're playing with fire, and I don't mean goon. :p

    -bs
     
  16. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In any case, my big problem with John Wagner has nothing to do with the man himself, but with circumstances.

    The bottom line is that FCD is, at best, #3 on HSG's list of priorities, well behind the Chiefs and their minority share in the Chicago Bulls. The fact is that he can screw up royally with FCD (as he did in 2003) and as long as the two gorillas in HSG's portfolio continue to do well, he'll keep his job.
     
  17. Scipio Gothicus

    Aug 6, 2001
    Cabo San Lucas
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The salient point, Balonpieface, is that GE promised. GE wanted a good relationship with us, and was willing to do whatyever he could for us. He had the same relationship with us as Chicago's poor man's version of GE, or, to be more specific to Chicago, the poor crack whore's version, Peter Wilt. Yes, we had a patch of dirt, finally covered by grass. With incompetence of the construction, GE could hardly be held responsible for that.

    With the departure of GE, Jalper took over for the interim. He was the one who told me about the pavilion, and he would like us out there. When I expressed the idea to Nick, he replied he was fine with it, though a cart to move the drums in would be nice, as would be a cart for old people. I certainly did not mind the only time I was there. The restromms, covered areas, electricity, were all a vast improvment, though the concessions window did not seem well thought out.

    Along came Hitch. Away went the permanent grill, the closet for the drums, and the stable place for the tailgate. As I have been out of the loop, I am hoping two questions. Intially, did the FO force or encourage the SGs to purchase tickets in the blue lot, even though the majority of the tailgates are held in the pavilion. Second, the tailgate is moving due to a youth tournament?

    You know the answers, Gordon. Charlie foxtrot. Sierra november alpha foxtrot unifrom.

    Dead but dreaming,
    Scipio Diabolus,
    vox fatum.

    Contra.

    Texas Hold 'Em, Friday, 8:00, here.
     
  18. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

    Jul 14, 1999
    Cedar Hill, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With all of this crap about the TG situation, why don't we just move to Frisco Square? Free parking, plenty of space in the empty lot west of it, nearby food and bathrooms, eh?
     
  19. texgator

    texgator New Member

    Oct 28, 2003
    Plano
    I don't think it would last long.......but it probably is worth the try.
     
  20. Kevin Lindstrom

    Oct 28, 2003
    Dallas, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is getting a little frustrating. Just like with the flags, no one said you couldn't keep the drums here - that was a CHOICE made by the drummers (I was one of them at the time) to keep them with the people who use them.

    I've said this before, and I'll say it again until it sinks in - no one from the FO forced anyone - or encouraged anyone, for that matter - to get parking passes ANYWHERE. In fact, (and I can attest to this since I've been the main contact person on this), all that has ever been done this year is to echo the sentiments of The Inferno leadership, which is to NOT buy parking passes so that no one is locked into any one location.

    Yes, the tailgate is moving because Frisco is having a tournament out at the fields where they will be using all of the fields until 10 p.m. In order to minimize the conflicts between the groups (specifically, so that The Inferno won't have to be hassled), *The Inferno* decided to move to the Blue Lot for this game.
     
  21. Brushes Sand

    Brushes Sand Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    polychronicqatsitime
    Can't comment on tailgate geostability, or grill extance, but inre:
    a closet for anything, GE promised what he had no power to deliver
    when he didn't even know if it would exist, and obviously did nothing
    to find out if it could exist because if he did, it might, but now, it doesn't,
    which is probably why Hitch is unable to deliver something that he didn't
    promise and which doesn't exist. I've been through the entire facility
    several times, and of all people, you can rest assured, that if I had
    been able to spy someplace that I considered safe for my stuff,
    it would be considered safe for all of the Inferno's stuff, and rest
    assured, HKS insured that no such space exists anywhere in the
    facility. Could Wagner have made that happen? Yes, but you
    don't know what you don't know, and in some cases, what you
    are pre-programmed to be unable to know. Subtext conjugate
    and extrapolate. If I could avoid hauling 100 pounds of gear
    in and out of the place, rest assured, I would be storing my stuff
    in the facility. I'm not.

    -bs
     
  22. 3VIL L33T

    3VIL L33T New Member

    Apr 16, 2006
  23. doctor_j

    doctor_j New Member

    Aug 3, 2004
    reppin' ETex
    What the Houston types fail to realize is that every game is not like that.
    The attendance this year has been pretty good, numbers *and* actual-butts-in-seats wise.

    The point that remains unsaid amid all this useless smack talk is: people here really didn't care much about this particular game, one way or the other. It just wasn't that big a deal to the locals, is all.

    Nothing personal I'm sure. It's a long season. We will do it again soon. It will be fun. Until then, let's move on, shall we?
     
  24. 3rd Degree

    3rd Degree Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All your base are belong to us!!

    L33T W00T U got pwned!!!
     
  25. The Prophet

    The Prophet Member

    Sep 9, 2003
    Big P, Texas
    Club:
    SS Lazio Roma
    Welcome to my fascist Lazio fantasies!!!!

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