A lot of you often say "we've got to do better", "we really need to bring it this week", and you gush on and on about how good supporters group X, Y or Z looked/sounded/represented any given week. For 10 years I've plied my trade at the back of the Inferno, and i've always refused to accept/take/getdraftedinto any type of leadership role precisely BECAUSE i'm all about Eris, Discordia, Slack, Dobbs, and Crowley ("Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"). As a Supporters' Group, we've always been free-form, Avant-Garde, and Extremely Individualistic. I'm down with that. I hate fascism, and everything it entails. The only exception to the above are Nats fixtures in this market. Owned. Preamble over. Subject of this thread: If you want to "look good" and "maximize presence" with the "available forces and resources" you'll listen to Travis this week and on Saturday and take your cues from him about where to stand, and if you're SINCERE about wanting to make the Inferno look/sound/seem bigger/morepowerful/louder, then you'll volunteer to OWN responsibility for some visual aspect in-game. If you people will listen to Travis, and DO WHAT HE SAYS, WHEN HE SAYS YOU SHOULD DO IT, I *guarantee* the Inferno will look/sound/seem 3x bigger/morepowerful/louder than it ever has. As I always do, for a National Broadcast, or for a Derby Fixture, I'll bring everything I have. I have close to 50 sticks operational right now, including a bunch of 4x6 Texas flags on 5' poles. We've never deployed everything I own to even 50% of operational efficiency. I can make the same impact on the Inferno as I do on Nats fixtures, but only if you, Comrades, are down with this One Game Plan. Volunteers for this Mission will probably NOT be standing next to their buddy, you will have to stay in one place and allow Civilians/Slackers to filter in around you. Is that sacrifice worth it to you for what it will mean to the team? Not to mention the Rep of the Inferno, League-Wide ?? This is an ESPN2 game. This is our _last_ SCHEDULED national broadcast prior to (ohm to the Gawdz) our hosting of the Cup Final on ABC 12 November. We can return to standard chaos/freeform/anarchy until the playoffs. Or we can blow it off for this game as well. YOU MAKE THE CALL. -bs
I'll be there in spirit fellas, cheering you on from my house in beautiful downtown 456 degree Arizona!!!
Not sure I like the way I've been designated crowd deployment control, but I have to say I agree with Wade on the spreading out bit. When we're all bunched up like a can of sardines, we look small. If we spread out and wave those big flags, we look big. Plain and simple. I'd prefer that we police ourselves on this -- be consious of where you are and how close/far from the next person you are. Spread out. Look big. And I'll do my best to remind folk during the game.
Not if you move too. I know any retreat from anarchy is cause for alarm. I understand that. This involves sacrifice of "position" from everyone. There is a slackadaisical hierarchy that has been established as to where people stand. When Northside and his crew are in town, they're 2/3rd's of the way back, and 2/3rd's of the way over from "ground zero". Veshia always takes up station to the left of where the Northside crew forms up, even when they (the austinites) aren't in for a fixture. The Posse always hangs in the same place. I can go on and on and on. The entire section has a tribal "pecking order" if you will (but it's subconcious mind you) that always causes people to stand in the same place out of habit. Anyone who is sincere about "firming up" for a fixture (this one) is going to have to quit their habit for a single match. I know we'll never pull this off, but what the hell....... Ground Zero (for whatever reason) has formed about 4 rows up and 4 seats over from the northeast (row 1 on the aisle) of 116. Move the drums. Move the caller. Move the Baby Tex. Center the Inferno Banner on 116. Leave row 2 in front of the drums empty. For this to work, and i'm pretty sure we lack the intestinal fortitude to pull it off, you, Jefe, would be calling from 6 rows up in the middle of 116. The BabyTex would be centered in 116 beginning on row 7. The drums would be centered in 116 beginning on row 3. Did I mention closing down the tailgate at 2:20 and getting in by 2:30 and getting organized and deployed properly ??? Moving "Ground Zero" would allow the troops to be pulled up, to the left, and to the right, much easier, because the "Center of Gravity" would be "balanced", and not synthetically tilted towards 4 rows up and 4 seats over from the northeast corner. This is only one change in dynamic required to achieve anything close to optimal results, which is why I know we'll never pull it off. The desired end state is everyone who is able bodied either responsible for confetti (only 5-8 people total spread EVENLY throughout the first 15 rows, SIDE TO SIDE, of 116), responsible for pyro (1 or 2 max, not Manck, and down in front somewhere in front of the drums), drummers, callers, NO MORE THAN 12-15 TROOPS TOTAL for the BabyTex, and then EVERY OTHER ABLE BODIED PERSON responsible for a stick, with one or two people to their left and one or two people to thier right who are not responsible for a stick, but could be confetti people, and at least one row in front of them and one row behind them separating themselves from someone else with a stick, all said individuals radiating in a staggered cascading manner from the edges of a deployed BabyTex. Newbies, interlopers, exiles in 117, whoever doesn't normally get one of the "Best" standing locations, are allowed to filter in and fill in at their leisure. But regulars respect Travis' Authoritai. Travis is not just designated. He is now SANCTIFIED. If empty space remains, SO BE IT. In the section, you may perceive it to be "gaping", but on TV and from the east and west side of the stadium, I can assure you that the empty space will not seem that empty. The only place it would look weird to someone would be someone sitting in 115 or 117 looking to their left or right as the case may be. From a chant standpoint, it will take more dedication for "unpacked" troops to get in full voice. Understood and guaranteed. Just one more sacrifice to be made. I'd create graphics of all of the above if I thought it would do any good. But I don't. Back to your regularly scheduled free-form schadenfreude. -bs
Why not test it out Wednesday to see how it works? Not like anyone else will be watching anyways if it looks retarded....
Sorry, but sacrificing sound for TV visuals isn't something I think we should bother with. We are there to support the club on the pitch, to give them an added home field advantage, not to impress viewing audiences around the nation (all 175k of them). I believe our foremost concern is auditory, not visual. I'm willing to stand wherever I am told, to wave whatever is handed to me, to throw whatever visual device is given to me at the moment. I'll do whatever if that's what the group wants. But I don't think we should pursue a program that intends to lessen our noise level.
Throats evenly spaced and projecting unidirectionally will create more decibels in a larger "volume cone" than what normally transpires where throats close together cancel and neutralize each other creating more disparate "volume cones" that do not project as far or with as many decibels. We're in to diffyQ, doppler and fluid dynamics at this point, so I'm not going to keep going, but the bottom line is that, if done right, on queue, synchronized, and in "full voice", spreading out = more volume. Dats the fax, jax. -bs
That's a big IF.....by spreading out we are in real danger of not being in synch. Hell, even packed in we have a hard time getting everyone on the same page for long periods of time. Again, I'll go along with anything the group does, but if it ends up being a sacrifice of noise for visuals.....I wouldn't want to continue it.
And there you have it. We are Slackers. Slackers are Us. Thus, the only solution is to get more Slackers. And therefore, you create MORE SLACK. PRAISE BOB. PRAISE THE LASER PROJEKT. And so, the great 2006 Inferno attempt at regulation dies a happy death. I'm glad we worked through this together. I'm in Denver tomorrow-friday, so I won't be there Wednesday. I will deploy as normal for Saturday, which means if you want a stick come and take it. And if we ever manage 500+ troops consistently, I'll again raise the whole subject of (wince) "organization". Mods please close the thread. End of Line. -bs
What Wade speaks of can be done, it takes comittment for 90 minutes, but we can do it. And we can and will have good voice and visuals. It's not about 'looking good on TV' (not that there's anything wrong with that) it is about CREATING HOME-FIELD ADVANTAGE for our team! As supporters, that is our purpose in life. We want our team to win this game against the humidity impaired team from down south! Especially after last week. Especially on National TV where all can see the game as it unfolds. We want to hear the Gonzo Cannon BOOM after every one of our goals! We want our team to outscore and outperform....we can inspire them, we are the 12th man on the field. The more we inspire, the more they score. The more they score, the more we get to celebrate. Sweet Super Hoops and drum circle dreams!
It always amazes me when I watch a game I taped after having attended the game. How small our group looks on TV. At the game - it looks and feels and sounds like a group of 100 or more. On TV it looks about 10 yards wide (if that) and 5 rows tall. Much smaller than it felt. What Wade is asking for (I think) is for us to look on TV what we already feel and sound like - a large supporters group. It doesn't have to be too hard. Just like in PE or the military. Stand at arms length from each other. And stagger the rows so that the person in the row behind is standing in the space between the people in the row in front of him. Us Now: XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX Proposed X..X..X..X..X..X..X..X..X..X ..X..X..X..X..X..X..X..X..X..X X..X..X..X..X..X..X..X..X..X Same number of X's. That can't mess up the choreography that much. Can it?
My goodness, are you always this much of a whining little baby? Did you miss the part where I stated I would be willing to try anything??
Electronic Text is the worst means of communicating satire or irony. And it's not about you, and your individual willingness "to try anything". The entire section would have to be down with it, and you convinced me it's impossible, simply because the talent doesn't exist to synchopate WITHOUT the additional complexity of spatial awareness. I'll speak to you about the dig (whining little baby?) in person... Again, please close this thread. I agree with gator, it ain't possible. -bs
Not if you use smilies to denote such things. I think the entire section is willing to attempt anything that has the chance to work. But by presenting it in the manner you have is just asking for failure. And just so were ABUNDANTLY CLEAR on the issue. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD GIVE A TRY. That certainly is your right. You're a reasonably intelligent man, having questions about the operational details does not equal believing it won't work.
I must say that reading evey post in this thread was quite enlightening.Im a diehard Dynos fan living out of state. Our supporters group the Texian Army looked real good Sat night on MLSNETLIVE and from all of their posts they complemented THE INFERNO on your representation at an away game.Seems like they had nothing but respect for you guys. But here I visit your site to try and get some insight into the cannon naming [which still hasnt been released ] and i find you guys at eachothers throats.I know its a family spat and none of THE DYNO'S business but I think you are being way to hard on one another.Unity trumps aesthetics every time.You guys seemed fine Sat night.So why not cut some slack to eachother.After all if you look at the game we won the first half 3-0 and you won the second half 3-1.Now thats a heck of a game and the beginning of one heck of a rivalry.We dont intend on letting go of the cannon so you boys and girls better get it together soon. WE ARE DYNAMO WE ARE ONE.
First off, I think it is worth kicking around. FWIW, a brief discussion here on BS surely isn't enough of a "kicking around" to just dismiss out of hand. Relax, talk about it at the tailgate and see what happens. Second, I think the idea of trying it on Wednesday is a great one. Third, if I could offer a suggestion of my own, it also looks much better if it is more vertically aligned than horizonally. This helps not only visually but also in terms of control. So instead of what Chris has in the post above, try: X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X Something around a person across for a row back works out to the right idea, I think.
Just speaking from someone viewing from a different point in the stadium from anyone else, I would have to say that I agree with Kevin. Make 116 yours and spread backwards, not wide. From my vantage point, the Inferno are packed in and small. But when I count heads, I count 50 to 100 people, and it really surprises me that it is that many people. Spead out will make the group look bigger which, more important than looking bigger on TV, makes you look bigger in person, and more people are more likely to join in with a bigger group. Spread out will also not only make you louder as a group, but will also make the words you say more intelligible. Dustin doesn't need to worry about being central, chants he starts will spread back as long as the people near him are paying attention. And spreading out also gives the benefit of having some randon chants started at the back...
Personally, I have a lot easier time working the crowd 15 feet above me than I do working the crowd 15 feet off to either side.